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1633 (Ring of Fire Series Book 2) (English Edition) [Format Kindle]

David Weber , Eric Flint
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AMERICAN FREEDOM AND JUSTICE
VS. THE TYRANNIES OF
THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY

The new government in central Europe, called the Confederated Principalities of Europe, was formed by an alliance between Gustavus Adolphus, King of Sweden, and the West Virginians led by Mike Stearns who were transplanted into 17th-century Germany by a mysterious cosmic accident. The new regime is shaky. Outside its borders, the Thirty Years War continues to rage. Within, it is beset by financial crisis as well as the political and social tensions between the democratic ideals of the 20th-century Americans and the aristocracy which continues to rule the roost in the CPE as everywhere in Europe.

Worst of all, the CPE has aroused the implacable hostility of Cardinal Richelieu, the effective ruler of France. Richelieu has created the League of Ostend in order to strike at the weakest link in the CPE's armor—its dependence on the Baltic as the lifeline between Gustav Adolf's Sweden and the rest of his realm.

The greatest naval war in European history is about to erupt. Like it or not, Gustavus Adolphus will have to rely on Mike Stearns and the technical wizardry of his obstreperous Americans to save the King of Sweden from ruin.

Caught in the conflagration are two American diplomatic missions abroad: Rebecca Stearns' mission to France and Holland, and the embassy which Mike Stearns sent to King Charles of England headed by his sister Rita and Melissa Mailey. Rebecca finds herself trapped in war-torn Amsterdam; Rita and Melissa, imprisoned in the Tower of London.

And much as Mike wants to transport 20th-century values into war-torn 17th-century Europe by Sweet Reason, still he finds comfort in the fact that Julie, who once trained to be an Olympic marksman, still has her rifle . . .

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  • Nombre de pages de l'édition imprimée : 620 pages
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  • Editeur : Baen Books; Édition : 1 (1 août 2002)
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  • Langue : Anglais
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Suite de "1632" du seul Eric Flint, le livre poursuit, logiquement, l'examen des conséquences de l'incursion des Américains du 20° siècle dans l'Allemagne de la Guerre de 30 ans.
Les auteurs évitent le manichéisme, et la nature des changements possibles dus à la situation est suffisamment discrète pour être plausible. Reste quand même une certaine naiveté quand à la bonne volonté des personnages à subir, voir appeler les changements.
Le tout est très bien écrit, et les personnages gagnent en complexité et en profondeur.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 (bad) habit forming 2 mai 2014
Par Winebore
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I'm torn by these books. I love the whole 21st century americans loose in the thirty years war thing. The what-if aspect is great fun and I'm dying to see what happens next. At least until I log on and see how many more of these books there are to buy and wonder if getting a cocaine habit would be a cheaper to get hooked on!
And then there's the human interaction part of the story which can be pretty cloying at times. So don't read it for the characters, just the plotting.
And hope there's a sale on one day....
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Amazon.com: 4.1 étoiles sur 5  145 commentaires
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 Very fun Alternate History! 25 juillet 2002
Par Ryk E. Spoor - Publié sur Amazon.com
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1632 was compared by many (including myself) to S.M. Stirling's "Island in the Sea of Time". They certainly share some similarities -- small part of the USA dropped mysteriously back in time and has to find a way to deal with the problems caused thereby -- but other than that and the "rebuild civilization" general idea that follows from the premise, they're not much alike.
1632, and now 1633, are FUN books. "Island" hammered away at you with the tough details, but Eric Flint instead gives us a more engaging cast of characters overall and less vicious villains.
In fact, even the villains are painted in such a way as to give one sympathy for them on occasion.
One major complaint about 1632 was the character Simpson, a former CEO, who was a foil for the main character and appeared only in two chapters. Eric Flint has told me (and others) that Simpson was a convenience to get things moving, nothing more, and that's why he ended up looking like cardboard. The book was not intended to be a series originally, but it did so well that it would have been foolish to NOT make it a series.
Simpson-the-foil is gone, replaced by a still-obstreperous and uptight, but no-longer-cardboard character who has invaluable skills to the new "United States" that's trying to survive in the war-riddled Europe of 1633. Simpson can still be more annoying than many of the villains, which I actually count as a good thing; it's nice to make the point that someone can be on your side and still not be as nice a PERSON as some of the people who oppose you.
The characterization of Richelieu, the Cardinal who was the true Power in France at the time, is frightening. He is that (thankfully) rare sort, a man of great intellect and wide education who has charisma, empathy, warmth... and an unswervable, Machiavellian determination to achieve his goals. He regrets the loss, yet will order an execution in a heartbeat. While there are certainly other opponents, Richelieu is by far the most formidable single enemy the Americans of Grantville and their allies face.
It's true that a great deal of time is spent with the various factions' reaction to the "other" histories, but I find this more interesting than boring, overall. What's interesting about it is that the various people are reacting TO the histories as PROPHECY -- "Lo, and this shall come to pass if..." -- and trying to "fight the future" (to borrow a quote) by taking preemptive action against it. One has to wonder, though, when they'll realize that the very EXISTENCE of Grantville already changed dynamics sufficiently that their history books were pretty much useless. After this book, they might as well chuck the history books except for whatever strategic and so on material they contain -- there won't be much left to worry about in them.
I won't give many spoilers here -- this is a brand-new book -- but I will say that I find the writing easy and engaging, the main characters fun to follow, and the action enjoyable, while the logic of the reconstruction doesn't overly strain my suspension of disbelief. Buy this one, it's well worth the price.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 A Great Read, With One Flaw 25 août 2002
Par John G. Gleeson Sr. - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Almost by reflex, I would give David Weber a 5 star on every book he has written; I have read all of them and enjoyed all of them, especially his Honor Harrington series. I read and enjoyed the previous book in this series, "1632", and although I didn't review it, I had the same reservation. But let's talk about the "good stuff" first: Flint and Weber have as the device to create their "world" of the 17th Century, a mysterious event that sends a section of West Virginia back in time, to the era of The Thirty Years War. It was a vicious time of intense religious and political conflict which seriously depopulated Central Europe. The conflict between modern man and 17th Century civilization comes off superbly, and the authors have captured the era almost perfectly. While military action occurs, this book is more than traditional military sci-fi, and as such, it is as near great work of fiction, as is "1632", and if you decide, as I hope you do, to try this book, you should read "1632" first. This is a stand alone book, to be sure, but it is a continuation of the earlier work in which nearly all of the characters in "1633" first appear. Which leads me to my only reservation about these books. Eric Flint's bio tells us that he is a labor organizer, and his belief in the superiority of the blue collar guy and his disdain for the "suits" becomes almost preachy. And ,please don't e-mail me as anti-labor; I ain't. I just don't like to have a ripping good yarn interrupted by statements about the writer's socio-political beliefs. I don't like it when Tom Clancy does it and I don't like it when Flint does it; it disrupts the story and contributes nothing to the plot (By the way, I enjoy e-mail from folks who agree or disagree with a review; I just want to be clear on this criticism). Despite my single reservation about these books, they still represent a very high level of adventure fiction, and I look forward to "1634".
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3.0 étoiles sur 5 One small step for the series, one giant leap Weber & Flint 7 août 2002
Par Gregory A Donahue - Publié sur Amazon.com
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If you've read 1632, and loved the behind the scenes politics, social ramifications, and down right dirty moves pulled by Mike Stearns and the rest of Grantville, then grab 1633 and hang on!
If the action, romance and down right hokey fun of 1632 captured your heart, then buy a highlighter with 1633, and make sure you highlight those parts, they don't appear near as often in this sequel.
I'll start with the cons and finish with the pros. There are several plot lines within the book that are advanced enough that you care about them, but left hanging at the end. One of 1632's most memorable characters: Julie Sims (Mackay, 'currently') is sent to Scotland, and essentially left there. Harry Lefferts and Gerd Fuhrmann (two characters that I'm now emotionally attached to) promise to turn some of Richelieu's minions into the whipping boys they are, but it remains a promise for another book as their mission is left hanging by the last page. There are some more examples of this in the book, and the end effect is an aborted sense of 'closure' when the reading is done.
Now for the pros: There is much that happens in 1633 that will cause you to pause, smile and just revel in its genius. (now) Admiral Simpson is, perhaps, one of the most compelling characters of the entire book. He and his wife fall into a role that only they can pull off, and is ultimately necessary for the sake of Grantville and the CPE. Additional characters are introduced that will make you stand up and cheer for them during their more challenging moments. ...and the horse trading...man, is there some horse trading going on.
Pick up 1633, keep in mind it is NOT Part 2 of 2, and enjoy. There are clear faults in the story, most of which manifest themselves when you realize you've finish. The faults won't, however, ruin what's golden in the book. Eric Flint has an extensive afterword then I highly recommend reading. Especially since it'll offer you info on how to nag him and David Weber into getting the next 16-- series book in stores...which you'll be wanting, I promise, for both the good and bad reasons I mentioned above.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Alternate History, Reality Strikes Again 6 août 2002
Par Walt Boyes - Publié sur Amazon.com
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One of the problems I have always had with alternate histories is the "deus ex machina" solutions to real technical problems. In 1633, as in the previous volume 1632, Eric Flint and collaborator David Weber provide a slice of reality in an alternate universe. People aren't cardboard, there are no achingly evil villains. There are stupid people, people with warts, smart people, normal people...in short, all the people that make up 1633 in Europe. Archvillains Richelieu and Simpson are revealed as men with passions, flaws and virtues. Good guys are shown to be short-sighted and venal. What we have here is a fine continuation of Eric Flint's experiment in "reality alternative history." Nobody pulls 2001 technology out of the bag...in fact, the climax leaves you with a clear (and foreboding) picture of the limits of Grantville's technology.
We are not reading Grantville uber alles here, nor are we reading a romp through the 17th century by those vastly superior persons, the Americans. We are reading a well thought out dramatic essay on what happens when cultures collide.
The subtext of 1633 doesn't get in the way, but it is every bit as powerful subtext as any "literary" SF novel of the past 30 years. We are seeing through a kaleidoscopic lens what happens when people are faced with massive change, and when people are forced to achieve beyond their station in life. We are seeing what happens when a society comes into contact with another society with more toys and fancier philosophy. Apply the lens of 1633 to the issue of the Native American, or the Australian Aborigine, and the philosophical subtext remains the same.
Flint and Weber do a masterful job of provoking thought from readers of space opera and action-adventure novels. We are fed enough complex political analysis under the guise of character introspection that we can see exactly what is happening, and where things are going.
Finally, Flint and Weber pull off something extremely critical, and they do it well: they make the indigenous population of the era, not the interlopers from Grantville, the heroes of the piece.
And that's the point. Or one of them.
Walt Boyes
(the Bananaslug at Baen's Bar)
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3.0 étoiles sur 5 Good Continuation...Keem Em' Coming! 9 décembre 2006
Par Ethan D Van Vorst - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Suffice it to say that if you read the very good novel "1632" you'd have wanted to make a beeline right for the sequel "1633". And I can't blame you for it...I had to special order this book because neither the library or the local bookstores carried it. This is a very good read, make no mistake, but coming off of the much easier to read and faster paced 1632 one may be surprised by the changes contained within.

For starters where 1632 covered the citizens of Grantville's sudden appearance in central Germany of the 17th century, and the related effects of it's possession of advanced weapons, medicine, science, and knowledge of future events, here we have a book focusing more on the diplomatic and political angle, interspersed with the story of Grantville's struggle with the possibility of oncoming plague and the development of a working Air Force and Navy. There's much more plot depth and characters that were overly stereotypical in the first novel (ie; Simpson) are given actual personalities, and on this latter account the story gains much.

I need to go ahead and get it out of the way though. You see, I'm one of those charlatans who thinks there's entirely too much politics and not enough action in the book. Before the public stoning begins allow me to illucidate. Politics is an interesting subject, no doubt, but there are so many different threads of it running rampant through the book that it's difficult to keep track of all of it. So much in fact that I was almost forced to grab a pen and paper to write character's names down and their ultimate goals for power grabs in the New Europe...ordinarily this is something I only do for the Russian literature of the late 19th century (just for keepin track of all the names), but I was almost forced to it here. I found myself laboring through entire chapters of the book forced to read what I considered some rather dull, pages long descriptions of constitutional banter, interlaced with the plottings of German nobles and assorted power plays by foreign dignataries. And don't even get me started on the almost Mafia-like "Committees of Correspondance", whom, for whatever reason, I just have a tendency to really dislike for their thug-like behavior. And while I understand the CoC's reasons for hatred of nobles I find myself befuddled as to their motives and overall disposition against Gustav, whom I consider a good and noble man. Bottom line...I just don't get it. Much of the book is like this, and borders on needing accompanying Cliff's Notes.

Several plots have broken off from the main book as well. A diplomatic mission to Cardinal Richelieu, primary foil for the new European republic, results in my appreciation of this character (who it appears is maligned far too much on various "Three Musketeers" movies), a man who is honorable, cunning, kind, and dangerous in equal parts. A separate diplomatic mission takes place to England, largely dealing with the group's incarceration in the infamous Tower of London, as well as the introduction of later historical figure Oliver Cromwell. I very much look forward to that plot development as the portions of history I've read on the man tend to impress me.

As to the action portion those parts of the book are wonderful. I thoroughly enjoyed the formation of Grantville's Air Force, and being a US Air Force veteran myself, felt pulled in and filled with wonder. Likewise, I really enjoyed the improved character of Simpson, whom I think a perfect fit for the job of Admiral of the US Navy's two Grantville-Class ironclads and I cannot wait to see them in action. The book culminates in a large sea battle which had me turning pages furiously and results in the death of a much loved character from the first book.

I very much enjoyed the book, but found it tedious in many places. If you were rooting for more high-technology cause/effect events to unfold you may be disappointed, but certainly not enough to dissuade you from finishing. The 1632 universe is fascinating and I look forward to the continuing saga of Grantville!
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