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Bach : Brandenburgische Konzerte (Concertos Brandebourgeois)

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  • Interprète: Musica Antiqua Köln
  • Orchestre: Musica Antiqua Köln
  • Chef d'orchestre: Reinhard Goebel
  • Compositeur: Johann Sebastian Bach
  • CD (30 novembre 1987)
  • Nombre de disques: 2
  • Label: Archiv Produktion
  • ASIN : B0000057D4
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Ce double CD est probablement la première édition. Depuis Archiv a exploité ces enregistrements de plusieurs manières, mais il existe maintenant un coffret de 8 CD comprenant aussi les Suites pour Orchestre et de la musique de chambre Bach : Concertos Brandebourgeois / Suites pour orchestre (Coffret 8 CD), qui est probablement le plus avantageux.

Après les premières expériences (Harnoncourt, Leonhardt...), vint la maturité des baroqueux (Gardiner, Pinnock, Hogwood, Koopman...). Le début a été parfois cahoteux, les fausses notes ne manquaient pas (début de la cantate 31 de Bach dans l'intégrale Harnoncourt), puis la génération suivante arriva à mieux maîtriser les instruments, le baroque devint une affaire qui roule, sans exclure l'approfondissement et la recherche. Néanmoins, tout n'était pas stabilisé : de nouveaux interprètes arrivèrent et avec les expériences, le risque, l'exploration audacieuse, ils inventèrent des sonorités inouïes. Les Brandebourgeois de Reinhard Goebel avec la Musica antiqua Köln, dès 1986-87, témoignent de telles recherches sonores, que Junghänel ou Fasolis, pour en rester aux interprètes de J.S Bach, ont continuées à leur manière. Il ne s'agit évidemment pas de ma part d'une périodisation rigoureuse, encore moins d'un classement des interprètes selon le style.
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HASH(0x923c7b64) étoiles sur 5 Breakneck Bach! 12 avril 2008
Par Gio - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Why does Mr. Goebel play his violin so fast, daddy?
Because he can, son.

I suppose that's not an adequate answer. Most of the negative reviews of this performance express outrage at Goebel's tempi, but in fact the only movements of the six Brandenburg Concertos that might be considered abnormally fast are the second of #3 and the first of #6. Otherwise Goebel sets consistently playable tempi, with maximum contrast between the allegros and the adagios. To my ear, the breakneck fiddling on the allegro of #3 sounds authentically thrilling; anyone would have to admit that it's very well played. Concerto #6 isn't my favorite. It has been nicknamed "The Scrub Board" and Goebel chooses to exaggerate its gruffness, not only in tempo but also in bowing technique. I would wager it's not his favorite, either.

What's so darn good about Bach, anyway? Some people may never know. To really appreciate Bach, you need to hear all the voices - all the lines - simultaneously. It's a listening skill not everyone has, and an intellectual mode of listening more than an emotional one. Not that Bach can't be appreciated emotionally! That would be an absurd assertion. But to really hear Bach, you need to follow the counterpoint instinctively, to make sense of three, four, five instruments in a conversation where they all play at once. That's what's so very darn good about Musica Antiqua Koeln's performance of the Brandenburgs: all the lines speak clearly. The precision and balance of the ensemble creates an astonishing musical transparency. I know the Brandenburgs very well; I've played the bassoon and recorder parts in concert. I've been buying and listening to new recordings of them since I was a teenager in the 1950s. Even so, when I listen to this performance by MAK, I invariably "hear" exchanges between parts that I never noticed before. I hear the distinct eloquence of the inner voices. In #5, my favorite of all, I hear the incredible harpsichord of Andreas Staier in every measure, even when the full ensemble is blazing away. Thus, when the harpsichord soars into its otherworldly extended cadenza, the most electrifying moment in all Baroque music, it sounds both inevitable and continuous with the musical development of the allegro.

There are at least sixty performances of the Brandenburgs available on CD currently. Some are superb, some are mediocre, and some should be mercifully retired. Even if you already have a favorite, one of the superb sort, you won't regret hearing Reinhard Goebel's bold interpretation. And if it's too fast for you, all I can say is...listen faster!
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HASH(0x923c7bb8) étoiles sur 5 Why these survive - and thrive - on the Autobahn 23 juin 2008
Par I. Loveapiano - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I regard as preposterous the notion that the performer must completely subjugate his/her virtuosity to the putative sanctity of a secular piece. Rather, the player must drive the performance as a gentleman leads his dance partner - with a measured balance of aplomb and audacious verve. This is especially true when both dancers are equally excellent and worthy of each other.

This was (thankfully) my first Brandenburg recording to bond with. Having heard other Brandenburgs here and there, I did have a sense that these were sprightly out of the box, but Goebel and his colleagues exalt them with lithe and dance-like playing - in your mind's eye, you can see their faces of concentration and confidence as they dispatch the material. I have noticed that, when I now hear other Brandenburg performances, I hear less detail and structure despite the slower tempi - it is as if they're weighed down by a giant powdered wig, and I come away unimpressed.

Bach's pieces can easily be likened to well-engineered German machines - elegantly and appropriately complicated, robust, luxurious, etc. I've owned a large, older Mercedes and had a German-born auto technician who worked on it, and he always said to "run it hard because they like it". He was right - it ran fantastically during/after a good (and downright illegal) fast road trip. Similarly, these Brandenburgs do "survive at a higher tempo" where other pieces might not. More to the point, they absolutely thrive - and as much of this has to do with Goebel's talent as with the genius of the composer. It's worth noting that Staier's work is, as usual, commanding (and, unlike many other Blandenburg offerings, you can hear it clearly due to the fine recording).

If it is true that Bach chased after choir girls and test-drove pipe organs by pulling most/all of the stops, then I'm comfortable in assuming that he might have relished a faster tempo to liven things up from time to time. The naysayers here should get out into the sun more, perhaps. I'm guessing that, if I asked a Koln basher to tell me his/her favorite Vivaldi Four Seasons recording, and I then proceeded to listen to it, my brain might seep out of my ears from the insipidness of the presentation (and material!).

Wir fah'rn auf der Autobahn...
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HASH(0x9278700c) étoiles sur 5 my favorite 18 juin 2006
Par Arnout Koeneman - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I don't see the need in collecting many performances of the Brandenburg Concertos, because simply put every single (authentic) recording I heard was great and the differences not that big to look at it as an (interesting) interpretation - something I do have with Bach's Mass in B or even more obvious in Mahler symphonies, there I do find the need to collect diiferent recordings/interpretations

If you see budget priced recordings by Tafel Musik (Sony Vivarte), Hugget (Virgin), Koopman (Erato), Il Giardino Armonico (Teldec) Suzuki (Bis) Pinnock (Archiv) and Parrott (Virgin) don't hesitate to buy a copy if you don't own one already...an extremely small chance you're not gonna like the performance.

Did I really hear all those recordings?
Yes, but to be honest only a few for a longer, evaluative period...so my opnion hasn't any weight at all and must not be taken that seriously.
I was only curious (maybe obsessed a while ago) why there are still new recordings made and if they added anything new to an already large library of Brandenburg Concertos and if some recordings were really that different.

There are 3 recordings that stood out of the rest for me and which I didn't mention yet:

Savall's recording (Auvidis)
Akademie fu Alte Musik Berlin (Harmonia Mundi full price and a budget release on Harmonia Mundi's "musique d'abord" which I have)
And this one, Musica Antiqua Koln with Goebel.

Savall's recording has a unique atmosphere, rather "rustic"
The Akademie fur alte Musik has a sumptious, warm timbred sound, not found in other recordings and finally my personal favorite Goebel has the fastest tempi and most tight ensemble playing.

I love Goebel's Brandenburg Concerto's, obviously because it were the first Brandenburg Concertos I heard, my first encounter with Bach's concertos.
But also because the playing is extremely fine: in those really fast tempi the ensemle still finds enough time and room to articulate accurately and finish every note and line at ease, there's no sense of hurry, it sounds completely natural.
Goebel's violin playing is excellent too.

I obviously do not agree with the editorial review by Ted Libbey: "The result has all the charm of an antipersonnel mine. For an idea of what their "extreme" Bach sounds like, listen to the first movement of Concerto No. 6, which Goebel and his gang take so disastrously fast, it's laughable"

These are livey performances and they sound fresh and spontaneous, but aren't actually that spontaneous at all: the playing is highly concentrated and tight - the Akadmie fur alte Musik and Il Giardino Armoncia for instance are more spontaneous in this respect.
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HASH(0x927873d8) étoiles sur 5 Don't make this your only recording of the Brandenburgs! 22 mai 2004
Par Matthew Mendlik - Publié sur Amazon.com
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This is a fantastic recording. But while Musica Antiqua Koln's technical skill outmodes that of nearly any other ensemble I've heard, Goebel's exaggerated tempi occasionally force these beautiful pieces to border on the non-musical. Yes, it's impressive to hear Brandenburgs 3 and 6 performed at lightning speeds, but simply playing "fast" doesn't necessarily mean "exciting" or even "listenable." Occasionally it's like speed-reading poetry. Having more than 10 sets of Brandenburgs in my collection, I'd certainly place this set in the upper half, but there are many other interpretations that allow the intricacies of these pieces to shine, rather than the virtuosity of the group performing them.
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HASH(0x927874bc) étoiles sur 5 A refined recording with a powerfull interpretation 26 novembre 2002
Par André Cunha Leal - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
Before I start doing this review I must ask for your comprehension because I don't speak a very good english, but I'll do my best. This recording is one of the best recordings of any kind I know. The quality of the sound is impressive, but most important is the interpretation. This is the fastest interpretation of Brandenburg Concertos, wich gives power to this recording. Other decisive factor to turn this recording so special is the refinement of the instruments sound and the quality of each member of the orchestra. For that I recomend you to hear the second and third concerts.
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