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  • Interprète: The Bach Ensemble
  • Orchestre: The Bach Ensemble
  • Chef d'orchestre: Rifkin Joshua
  • Compositeur: Bach Johann Sebastian
  • CD (13 juillet 2011)
  • Nombre de disques: 2
  • Label: Oiseau - Lyre
  • ASIN : B0000042HM
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CANTATAS 147, 80, 8, 140, 51 & 78

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Excellente version que ces interprétations dirigées par J Rifkin Il y a toujours un peu de mordant, d'urgence et en fin de compte de plaisir qu'il n'y a pas dans les autres
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J'ai acheté ce CD pour avoir ne idée de l'ensemble d'une oeuvre que l'on apprend en chorale avec en plus un CD de travail qui nous est fourni par pupitre pour être en mesure lors des répétitions de connaître déjà, ou du moins d'avoir ébauché notre travail. Le CD que j'ai pris n'est peut être pas le meilleur.
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HASH(0x944418a8) étoiles sur 5 Almost perfect, but... 18 mars 2007
Par Stephen McLeod - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Twenty years ago, Joshua Rifkin published the then controversial theory that Bach's cantatas were written with "one voice per part" (OVPP), i.e., the soloists also sang the choral parts. Evidently, this is no longer as controversial as it was in 1986 when these recordings were made. I don't know whether Rifkin is right, but his notes to the recording are persuasive, and I have since read much of Albert Durr's gigantic commentary on the cantatas, and Durr sees persuaded as well.

Good news: The music is translucent, the singing, for the most part, is excellent - especially soprano Julianne Baird on 4 of the six cantatas, and the great American bass, Jan Opalach on all except the solo soprano cantata, "Jauchzet Gott". The countertenor Allan Fast is excellent as well. The non-singing musicians play beautifully and Rifkin's direction makes the OVPP sound organic. Also, on two of the cantatas, tenor Frank Kelley deserves special mention for his heartbreaking rendition of his two major arias in those works. Jeffrey Thomas is excellent as well, although there's a brief moment of vocal failure in "Herz und Mund".

Bad news: As reviewers have noted, the sound engineering, in too many places, is extremely distracting. "Liebster Gott" is one of my favorite of Bach's church cantatas, and the recording of it here reflects an unparalled musical sophistication and just plain beautiful singing. But there's a moment in the first bars of the 2d movement also recitative that I must literally turn down the volume so it won't hurt my ears. Additionally, soprano Jane Bryden and countertenor Drew Minter are decisively inferior to Julianne Baird and Allan Fast. The tenors each sing admirably, but Frank Kelley sings so poignantly, one wishes he was the only tenor here. However, Jeffrey Thomas acquits himself admirably throughout, and deserves special mention for his work on "Wachet Auf." These problems are disappointing and more frustrating because of the general excellence of the performances.

Still, I can't stop listening. In retrospect, I don't know how I managed to miss this for so long. With small qualifications, I highly recommend this wonderful set.
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HASH(0x94441cd4) étoiles sur 5 Excellent 2-for-1 set (and one of a pair) 30 juin 1999
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Not everyone agrees Rifkin is right about his one singer to a part approach to Bach but the clarity in the vocal line is a big improvement over the massed forces approach.
This set is one of 2 budget double albums that Decca have compiled from 5 CDs issued on L'Oiseau Lyre 1987-91. Both double sets are well filled, give full notes and texts and sound quality is excellent.
The other, 458087-2, contains Gottes Zeit, Aus der Tiefen, Was Gott tut ist wohlgetan on CD1 and three bass cantatas on CD2. If you only get the 12 cantatas on these 2 double sets you will still have a great selection of the best of Bach's output.
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HASH(0x94441e90) étoiles sur 5 Impressive and Affordable 29 août 2000
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The debate over the performance of J.S. Bach's cantatas boils down to the following: the evidence suggests that Bach only had one singer per part for performances of his cantatas. Thus, any historically accurate performance of these works will maintain the one-singer-per-part approach. At the same time, however, there is additional evidence that Bach wanted more performers. We are thus stuck with deciding whether Bach wrote for the musical forces he had on hand (which seems logical enough) or whether he composed for the performers he would like to have (which would seem silly, if he knew there would not be enough musicians to realize his intentions. On the other hand, Bach does make "solo" and "tutti" distinctions in the score... draw your own conclusions). Rifken is a strong supporter of the one-performer-per-part approach, which may seem a little sparse at first. Yet, when one listens to the various cantatas on these disks, one must confess that these sound, well, beautiful. This may not be an approach which would work for all of Bach's works, but the effectiveness on these disks certainly lends the interpretation validity. Regardless of where you fall-- and if you fall-- in the strenuous debates over historical performance, I would heartily recommend this disk. Not only are the performances polished, but the works themselves are exquisite-- a wonderful sampling of Bach's cantatas. (Personally I am addicted to the duet, "Wir eilen mit schwachen, doch emsigen Schritten" from BWV 74 which I could gladly listen to over and over-- listen to it and you will see why.)
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HASH(0x9543ce84) étoiles sur 5 AUTHENTICITY AT A PRICE 11 octobre 2009
Par DAVID BRYSON - Publié sur Amazon.com
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It was Joshua Rifkin who first argued persuasively for the use of single voices per part in Bach's choruses, and that is the manner of performance he adopts here. Whatever reservations I or anyone may feel about this set in general, there can be no disputing Professor Rifkin's scholarship. Everything here is AAA authentic, and I wish that were all there is to the matter.

Unfortunately it's not. The dispute that Rifkin set in train between the single-voicers and multi-voicers has been the deadliest bore to afflict classical music since the onslaught of the repeats-are-compulsory enforcers 40 years ago. For my own part, I am entirely in favour of authenticity, but authenticity subject to a certain amount of discrimination and simple common sense. Just as in sonata-style compositions double-bar repeats mean that the section MAY be repeated, not that it has to be, so it involves a very limiting view of Bach's infinite musical genius to suppose that single-voice renderings are the only choral style possible. There is also the question how the requirement for authenticity affects phrasing, tempo, tone and general musicality. I recall first hearing Joshua Rifkin many years ago when he played the Scott Joplin soundtrack to The Sting, I own some of his other Scott Joplin rags, and I know what a marvellous natural sense of rhythm he has. What a pity then that he seems to feel that `classical' or `authentic' chastity compels him to deliver the melody of Jesu Joy in such a straitlaced and metronomic way. The same problem affects the famous melody of Wachet Auf, and although my growing collection of Bach cantata discs, currently around 50, does not include these famous works in other versions, nevertheless I own by now enough performances from Gardiner's great 2000-pilgrimage cantata series to appreciate in general that commitment to authenticity does not entail commitment to dryness.

As you would expect, much of this 2-disc set is very enjoyable. With music like this it would take genius of entirely the wrong kind to make that not so. Among the soloists I would say that the bass Jan Opalach is very good and the tenor Frank Kelley is even better. Sadly I can bestow no such encomium on the soprano who monopolises BWV 51. Still ringing in my ears is the wonderful performance that Malin Hartelius turns in for Gardiner. Indeed, the first chorus Jauchzet Gott is, for me, the low point of this entire set - slow, lumbering and leaden-footed in a piece that should be effervescent and brilliant as it is from Gardiner, Mme Hartelius and the trumpeter Nicklas Eklund. The final passage in BWV 140 is if anything worse, the only saving grace being that there is less to lose. The text is Des sind wir froh, io io, ewig in dulci jubilo, which being interpreted is `Thus are we joyful, hurrah hurrah, in everlasting sweet joy.' If you want to hear the most hangdog jubilation you ever heard, come this way. Surely nobody could spoil the celestial duet Wir eilen from BWV 78, nor does Rifkin spoil it, but I still prefer the way it was handled by Teresa Stich Randall and Dagmar Hermann (especially the latter) on the old Vanguard disc under the baton of Prohaska. There seems to be another minor issue of authenticity here - on the Vanguard disc the continuo introduction gives the melody in all its glory, whereas here we get a skeleton outline only.

The recording is now a quarter of a century old, and it is not bad at all in my own opinion, although I found myself turning down the volume which had last been set for the thunderous start of Handel's Dettingen Te Deum. Occasionally I wondered whether the voices were a little backward, but maybe not. In any case that is probably a good fault in Bach, whose inspiration is basically instrumental and not focused on the voices like Handel's. What is certainly true is that the acoustic does not suggest churches as Gardiner's, having been done in churches, unsurprisingly does. The liner note is rather humdrum and tells us nothing about the performers, but I can forgive it that and worse for sparing us any further discussion of the rights and wrongs of single voices in the choruses. I readily admit that I found the mighty chorus Ein' feste Burg a novel and interesting experience when treated in this way.
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HASH(0x942e7120) étoiles sur 5 Rifkin going from strength to strenghth 24 février 2005
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i have to admit Rifkin's version of the B Minor Mass, although shocked me a bit at first, managed to convert me to the one-singer-per-part theory. the point is that in Bach's sacred music human voices are used as instruments & usually pit against the instruments. so the chorus includes both the vocalists and the instrumentalists. with this in mind, Rifkin's theory works out fantastically in his musical directorship. the sounds are crisp, the balance between the vocalists and the ensemble is perfect. I got this CD after being convinced by the Mass in B Minor. Highly recommended.
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