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  • Interprète: Martha Argerich
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MUSICAL MAENAD 7 septembre 2005
Par DAVID BRYSON - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
Considering how many performances of the Chopin sonatas the musical great and good keep offering us I might have expected to find a set that approaches some theoretical ideal by now. The nearest I have yet come to that is from Cziffra in his 2-disc all-Chopin issue. I don't for one instant suppose that this evaluation will be universally shared, but it's the standard I go by although I'm open to other possibilities. The first thing I look for is clear individuality, and I doubt that any player shows more of that than Argerich does. She starts well (better than Cziffra does) and finishes badly, but the overall standard is 5-star material all the same. Music-lovers who have been around for a while know what to expect from her by now, and she gives it to us without compromise in the B flat minor. The opening phrase is bold and declamatory, the first two movements are torrential, and I am completely convinced by them. There are other ways of doing them, but as Serkin used to say to his pupils `It has to be one thing or the other'. There's no way of getting the best of every world. In particular she even outdoes Cziffra in one respect - the handling of the big repeated chords at the end of the exposition without strain - where up to now he had seemed to me to lead the field. It says a lot for her performance that I actually welcomed the first movement repeat, I think for the first time in my life. In the strange last movement only three performances seem to me outstanding - Michelangeli, Cziffra and now Argerich, each as different from the others as can be. Michelangeli is deep-toned, gliding and hardly human. Cziffra is cold and cheerless beyond words, with a sudden eruption near the end, the authority for which I would like to know. Argerich increases the volume at the same point, although not in the hair-raising way Cziffra does. Her reading is ghostly, and I was spellbound by it. The funeral march is a piece that I have never liked, and that is really where Cziffra scores. Neither of them, thank goodness, makes the repeats - Michelangeli makes every last one and the thing is interminable, even played by him. Argerich's tempo is distinctly fast, not so far as I recall quite as fast as Rachmaninov's but fast enough to make it tolerable. What Cziffra achieves is the miracle of making it interesting, with the melody-monotone sharply distinguished from the trudging chords, and that alone delivers him a narrow win on points when I'm the referee.

In the B minor the issue is a lot more clear-cut to me. Argerich delivers a lively and strong account of the opening movement, with the repeat once again observed. I'm not sure to this day that anyone has ever done this movement in general better than Rubinstein. There is a passage quite near the start where the left hand comes swarming up menacingly from deep bass until the music flowers out in euphony that is better done than I ever heard. There is another sequence near the end of both exposition and recapitulation where a short theme is given first quietly and then in a full-toned ornamented variation, and Rubinstein draws from the latter one of the loveliest sounds I ever heard from the instrument. Against this there is the problem of what to do with the first half of the development section. With Rubinstein there is almost a sense of relief when he gets that passage over and done with, and I feel something similar about Lipatti's treatment of it. Argerich seems determined to `do something' with it, and I sense she may have an uneasy feeling that something needs to be done, that it can't just be left to speak for itself. Now just listen to Cziffra -- he sails through it with a sublime naturalness, and for once the entire development section coheres as a unity. It's much the same story with the trio of the scherzo. Here Argerich may have felt that there was nothing that could be done, and the passage is dry and uninteresting, as it often turns out. The possibility of that never even seems to have occurred to Cziffra. Argerich takes the main sections of the movement at a rocketing speed, much as Pollini does. Cziffra's tempo is only a minuscule fraction slower, but the difference in sheer quality from either of them is enormous and the dazzling glitter of it is simply wonderful, out of their class. In the slow movement I would say Argerich is far too emphatic in the opening phrase, but much more importantly she plays the berceuse theme exquisitely. The problem here again is with the self-repeating phrases that follow, which don't fully hold my attention from her, as they don't from most players. When one sees Cziffra discussed it's generally a matter of his virtuosity, but here more than in the other two passages I've instanced there is something else that seems to me almost more significant about him - a sublime innocence and simplicity, thoroughly characteristic of him if people were only noticing, that marks a true child of the gods.

But oh dear me the last movement! It is a `galop', and the `presto' is qualified by an important `ma non tanto'. Is Argerich in for some speed-record? We know what wonderful fingers you have dear lady, but Lipatti and Cziffra and Pollini have those too, and they have more sense than to play the movement like this. The scripture tells us that there is a creature that can outpace a galloping horse, and it is the ostrich. However God hath deprived her of wisdom neither hath He imparted to her understanding, and she makes a bad role-model.

As a makeweight there is the C# minor scherzo. This is played with despatch as one would expect, but for me in this piece there is Horowitz and there is everyone else, even Argerich. Criticisms or none, I still have no problem with giving a qualified 5 stars to another welcome recital from a truly great and truly individual artist who will not, she tells us, be giving us any more solo work now. I am all the more grateful for what's available.
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(-) Top Exiting Second--Rushed Apart Third 29 septembre 2008
Par C. Pontus T. - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
Martha Argerich undoubtedly is one of the most exiting pianists to have emerged in the past hundred years. Let me state my general positions: she is better in concertos than solo works; she is better in the late Romantics rather than the early dittos. Having said that, to many people Argerich is closely identified with Chopin--probably in part resulting from her 1965 Chopin Competition triumph. So, what is my beef with Argerich in Chopin?

The flip side of her primal excitement is that she tends to rush and force things apart, and at times patch up the remains with some rather unimpressive excess pedaling. Chopin's music, pianistically perfect, is less susceptible to handling this Argerichian downside. The most striking examples are to be found in her 1977 Preludes (Chopin: 26 Preludes; Polonaises, etc.). Unfortunately, this 1967 Third Sonata suffers from the very same phenomenon. The effect: certain passages tend to get quite shrill and blurry while the longer lines fall apart--the very opposite of my reference Third Sonata from Demidenko (Chopin: Ballades; Third Sonata). Argerich makes herself more justice in the 1965 EMI version, which is also far better recorded than this two-year-later, tinny DG remake.

All the same, Argerich deserves some pronounced credit for the spontaneous freshness she delivers throughout, which scores the highest grade in the revolutionary Second Sonata--clearly one the Chopin works best suited to her nail-biting pianism. The first two movements are virtually as exciting as they can be, still revealing some lovely tone production in the lyrical sections. The spooky Finale largely falls into the same category. The one spot is the pedaling of the Funeral March that very much messes up the firm processional quality.

The 1961 Third Scherzo from Argerich's debut recital is a known quantity--probably the most dazzling version committed to disc. Had this 1975 Second Sonata come with the 1965 EMI account of the Third, they could well have made up the preferred version of this ubiquitous coupling. As it isn't, I would still claim the complete Ohlsson Sonata trilogy to be the recording to have, further boasted by a reference account of the sadly underrated First Sonata (Garrick Ohlsson - The Complete Chopin Piano Works Vol. 1 ~ Sonatas).
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Searing performance of Chopin's Sonata Op 35 by Argerich 13 novembre 2008
Par Carlton II - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
Certainly one of the most gifted pianists of all time, Martha Argerich creates energy and excitement at every concert or in every recording. This recording of the Sonata Op 35 from the mid 1970's remains active in much iteration from DG. I wish Martha would re-record the sonatas and traverse the ballades, scherzi, nocturnes, etc. also. What the artist/repertoire people are doing at DG, other than watching re-runs of Seinfeld, is a mystery to me. Pollini and Argerich alone could keep revenues flowing for decades if they enticed them to record more. These great artists aren't getting any younger! Their devoted public would love to have recordings of Chopin, Scriabin, Debussy, Liszt, Ravel, Prokofiev et al for posterity. One way to improve media sales and decrease downloads would be to have these artists individually sign the CDs or the liner note books. That would make them collectable.
Regarding the great Sonata Op 35, Argerich gives one of the most intense performances I have heard. Recording 15 - 30 years before Uchida and Grimaud, she set the example of how the opening movement should be attacked. Considering her predilection for quick tempi, her dynamic control is astonishing. She rolls through the main theme's exigent statements and replies, while taking the subordinate theme from placid and innocent to complex and sophisticated. The close is inspired.
In the second movement she is molten in the scherzo. She takes the middle section with a delicate and refined romanticism. The funeral march is about the quickest on record. But, it is conveyed with depth and purpose. The middle section, which has been described as two angels talking while watching the service, is the best on record. I have always thought that Chopin might be factitious here. The theme is so simple that he might be implying that the idea of an afterlife could be illusory at best; folly at worst. However, Argerich's performance will convince anyone that the composer was sincere and not insinuative. In her hands, this theme projects a view of peace and serenity. The finale is the most incisive I have heard. I have always thought that this movement might be Chopin's aural depiction of Canto III from the Inferno of Dante's Divine Comedy. Argerich's rendering of this inscrutable movement makes a compelling case.
Sonata Op 58
Composed in 1844 and published in 1845, the Sonata Op 58 in B Minor is Chopin's largest work for piano solo. It represents one of the great intellectual achievements of the Romantic Movement. In fact, it serves as an emphatic vindication for the so-called master of the miniature. Like its predecessor, this work is a worthy heir to the great sonatas of Beethoven. Chopin remains faithful to the basic sanctity of the form while expanding its technical and esoteric paradigm. However, unlike the Sonata Op 35, passion is more controlled. Emotional expression is manifested through cerebral probity and musical acumen. In addition, Chopin references historical elements in combination with his own distinctive style.
The opening movement's massive architecture is redolent of Beethoven.
The contrapuntal passages recall Bach. The beautiful, first subordinate theme is the apogee of bel canto.
The fleet, ephemeral scherzo is Chopin's advancement of those by Beethoven, Schubert and Mendelssohn.
The ruminating third movement is one of the composer's most original, elegiac offerings. It defies antecedence and imitation.
The finale, presto non tanto, is one of the landmarks of virtuoso piano writing. Chopin's supreme mastery of the instrument generates a spectacular and triumphant conclusion.
Argerich has recordings for DG and EMI in circulation. I prefer this one, but I think her affinity for speed tends to detract from this great work. In the massive opening movement, the Main Theme loses its gravitas. The first subordinate theme, the beautiful bel canto is well done, but still too quickly. Subordinate theme II is more measured and comes off more satisfying. The close is once again too quick.
The speed of the scherzo is awe inspiring, but some of Chopin's nuances are lost. The middle section is well delivered.
The hypnotic third movement is taken at a much more sedate and reflective pace. While not at Pollini's level, Argerich is wonderful here--especially in the reprise of the Main Theme.
The finale is taken too quickly for my taste. And while the speed is impressive and intoxicating, the performance seems too cavalier.
I think the finest performance of the Sonata Op 58 is Pollini's 1986 account for DG.

Scherzo Op 39
Chopin's third Scherzo is believed to have been composed in Majorca during his nearly disastrous sojourn with George Sand. It was published in 1840. The Main Theme has a mystical and ritualistic atmosphere that seems to have influenced Saint-Saens and Dukas in their Danse Macabre and Sorcerer's Apprentice. In the middle section, the Subordinate theme provides a more sedate, ritualistic iteration and features some wonderfully original keyboard passages unique to the composer. The Main Theme returns but is abbreviated to a restatement of the Subordinate Theme. In the coda, the crux of this work, the Subordinate Theme gains an irrepressible resolve over a magnificent left hand accompaniment. It climaxes only to fall to a demonic whirlwind, which brings this work to an emphatic close.
In the four ballades and first three scherzi Chopin's codas provide extraordinary conclusions. The sheer concentration of power and will to resolution is unprecedented and remains unequalled in music for solo piano.
Argerich's supreme command of octaves makes her a natural for this piece. Once again the quick tempi deprive us of some of the pauses or breathing necessary to the work. However, her sheer power and virtuosity, especially in the coda, overwhelm all other considerations.
A magnificent achievement, but not the last word 19 novembre 2009
Par G.D. - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
This disc sees Martha Argerich at her youthful best. She recorded the b minor sonata when she was twenty-six and the b flat minor seven years later, and they are indeed remarkable achievements, regardless of some perhaps questionable choices. I have at least never heard either work played with the kind of fiery brilliance I find here (but I submit that others might have deeper knowledge about the real classic performances than I do). There is no doubt, however, that it comes at a certain costs - some of the nobility of the outer movements of the b minor sonata is compromised and in general the faster movements can sound a little too purely virtuousic (but they are generally better in the b flat minor). But these are in fact more nitpicks than real criticisms, and pale in comparison to the assets, which include the slow movements of both works; the funeral march of the b flat minor is regal and poised and penetrating, but it is the slow movement of the later sonata I actually think is the highlight here with its wonderfully innocent and dreamy central theme perfectly realized. Well, this is certainly not the only acceptable approach to these works, but they are fabulous performances nonetheless, not to be missed. The magnificent performance of the third scherzo provide a welcome filler. Sound quality is very good.
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Argerich Has Profound Understanding Of Chopin Inventiveness! 3 décembre 2007
Par Raymond Vacchino - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
That Chopin's music can only be understood by reference to his art as a pianist is a fact that needs no emphasis: the music is so absolutely conceived in terms of the piano that it can scarcely be imagined apart from it.
Martha Argerich, a woman born to play the piano carries on this tradition magnificently. Her playing can be undisciplined but is always filled with musical interest and a great deal of temperament that is often present in these performances. In the B flat minor op.35 the opening movement has an interesting problem in theory, for there is no actual indication of tempo. Argerich is faced with four bars marked 'Grave', meaning solemn, followed by the very clear but inexact command to proceed at double the speed-'doppio movimento'. It is possible to draw analogy of the opening four bars of this work and the first bar of the slow movement of Beethoven's Hammerklavier 'Sonata'. As the 'Grave' is the only place to establish the tempo of the entire movement Argerich gives obvious thought and consideration to this dilemma and allows the somber character of these four bars to unfold at a restrained pace allowing plenty of room and freedom of tempo choice for the upcoming 'Doppio movimento'. Once there Argerich does exactly what Chopin says, she doubles the speed and conjures the rhythmic, agitato character maintaining it throughout. When the time comes for the repeat of the exposition, of course without repetition of the opening four bars, Argerich conveys her innate understanding of the structure by observing them here, as their omission completely destroys the balance of an exceptionally finely shaped movement. Technically the Scherzo makes greater demands than anything else in the sonata and Argerich is in her element allowing some of her virtuosity to flair as the theme unfolds. During the trio section Argerich displays her more nocturnal, poetic abilities as heard when performing Schumann's Kinderszenen. As the Funeral March begins Argerich immediately sets a scene filled with grief and deep lament allowing the long repeated motif to slowly linger seamlessly throughout. Once again Argerich fills the Trio theme with heartfelt warmth of sonority as she shapes the very fluid long phrases. The Finale, on the other hand is inscribed with the word 'Presto' and the clear and unequivocal 'sotto voce e legato'. It is without precedent in the entire literature of the keyboard and Argerich exemplifies its futuristically athematic design from beginning to end with a continuous whirl of stock octaves that reminded Anton Rubenstein of 'night winds sweeping over church yard graves'. Argerich magnificently finds the music that lies way behind the notes; few pianists ever get there. Her tempo however seems to be expressed through a stop watch which is perhaps a sign of undisciplined moments, but without them the overall effect might lack the Argerich temperament we all adore her for!
The Piano Sonata in B minor op.58 followed five years later and the development in Chopin's style is immediately striking. At once, Argerich displays the greater complexity of harmonic device and the total integration of decorative elements are brought into the performance. Liszt loved this sonata and began composing his own great B minor Sonata! Argerich is a great interpreter and there are no aspects of structure that are not at the same time, aspects of interpretation. Argerich conveys everything that is needed to make this performance one for others to be measured by. Tempo, dynamics-note-duration, agogic accents, rubato, etc; all these things are functions of musical structure and Argerich's musical structure contains the answers to the problem of interpretation. The paradox of a successful performance is that it does not really express the music at all: the music expresses it.
The Scherzo in C sharp minor op.39, is more in nature of a sonata movement understood by Beethoven than the ones Chopin wrote for his own sonatas. In the opening Argerich reveals the fierce contrasts characteristic of Chopin's larger works. Her virtuosity and turbulent temperament provides the power needed to force the music forward as in the 'Erorica' or 'Pastoral' symphony. In the Meno mosso Argerich's treatment and presentation of the second main theme has wonderful originality and forethought. Being of the nature of a chorale Argerich tastefully allows pausing at the ends of its phrases. She fills those pauses with cascades of notes falling from top of the keyboard towards the tenor register creating an effect that is both new and enchanting, and quite compensates for any possible banality in the melody. As the extensive coda is reached Argerich brings this glorious scherzo to a strenuous finale.

Author: Raymond Vacchino M.Mus.(MT) A.Mus. L.R.S.M. Licentiate(honorary)
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