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'House Atreides is a terrific prequel, but it's also a first-rate adventure on its own. Frank Herbert would surely be delighted and proud of this continuation of his vision.' (Dean Koontz)

'House Harkonnen is compulsive reading. I certainly enjoyed meeting pardot Kynes and Liet, learning more about the Freman, as well as Gurney Halleck, Duncan Idaho and the Lady Jessica. Such vile villains...and such a fascinating description of splendid places.' (Anne McCaffrey)

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Earth is a radioactive ruin. But the initial campaign of the Butlerian Jihad has given new hope to mankind. Serena Butler, whose murdered child has become a symbol for oppressed humanity, inspires a war against the thinking computers led by Xavier Harkonnen and Vorian Atreides.

But four of the Titans - murderous machines with human brains and human cunning - still remain. And the universal computer mind, Omnius, still wields most of its power.

Into this unstable landscape come two new factors.

From the depths of space and time, a free Titan - the near-legendary Hecate - joins forces with humanity. And in a humble laboratory on the planet Poritrin, the mathematical genius Norma Cenva is perfecting a theory that will utterly transform the rules of space travel. --Ce texte fait référence à une édition épuisée ou non disponible de ce titre.


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  • Poche: 800 pages
  • Editeur : Tor Books; Édition : Reprint (15 mars 2004)
  • Langue : Anglais
  • ISBN-10: 076534078X
  • ISBN-13: 978-0765340788
  • Dimensions du produit: 10,4 x 3,4 x 17,3 cm
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1 internautes sur 1 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile  Par "nicor2d" le 1 février 2004
Format: Broché
Si vous cherchez une oeuvre digne de celle de F Herbert, passez votre chemin.dites adieu aux titres de chapitres(les fameuses citations) ésotériques, aux nuances, les incertitudes et aux personnages troubles qui caractérisaient Dune.Par contre, si vous cherchez des anecdotes et une histoire documentée sur l'univers de dune cet ouvrage est fait pour vous(qui peut mieux connaitre cet univers que son propre fils).Le niveau d'anglais requis n est pas insurmontable.Cependant quelques situations absurdes et la niaiserie des motivations de certains personnages ne manqueront pas de vous enervez parfois.En résumé, un bon moment mais un peu trop x files par moment.bonne lecture
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1 internautes sur 1 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile  Par Mr. Benjamin Bayart le 1 juin 2004
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Autant les 3 volumes ecrits precedemment par les deux memes auteurs (House Attreides, House Arkonen, House Corrino) etaient vraiment fabuleux, completement dans l'ambiance du Dune de F. Herbert, autant les deux suivants (Butlerian Jihad et celui-ci) sont un peu plus decevants. On y trouve des racines de ce que sera le monde de Dune, mais l'ensemble reste malheureusement assez leger et ne tient pas bien la comparaison avec Frank Herbert.
Agreable a lire cependant, malgre un petit cote "Star War".
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Meme si l'histoire reste relativement passionnante, et somme toute tres riche, il y a trop de personnages differents qui ne contribuent que tres peu à l'histoire, la psychologie de ceux-ci n'est poussée que dans de trop rares cas.
J'ai relu juste apres un extrait de Road to Dune qui est un recueil assemblé à partir de textes originaux de Franck Herbert prévus pour les 6 bouquins de la saga, et franchement, on voit immediatement la différence dans le ton, la profondeur, la construction meme de l'histoire et des argumentaires.

Bilan : à lire pour étoffer encore un peu plus le background de l'univers créé par Franck Herbert, mais mis à part le dernier (Battle of Corrin) qui relève un peu le niveau, c'est tout de meme un peu decevant.

En revanche, les livres "House" (Atreides, Corrino, Harkonnen) sont plutot bien écrits.
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Par "xavier202" le 3 juin 2004
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Vraiment génial ce bouquin, bien sûr ce n'est pas de frank herbert mais le fils a su hérité du don de lécriture de son fils. Ici, il y a un peu moins de pensées philoso-politico-religieux que dans la saga Dune mais en revanche beaucoup plus d'action. Cet opus mène encore à plus d'intringues et de mystères dont le dénouement se prendra fin dans le dernier séquel "La Bataille de Corrin" ou enfin on saura la vérité sur les différents entre Atréides et Harkonnens qui sont encore copain comme cochon et quel personnage va mettre en place la dysnatie des Corrino.
Bref LISEZ !!!!!
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15 internautes sur 16 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile 
The writing seems...lacking 16 octobre 2003
Par Avid Reader - Publié sur Amazon.com
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It's not the plot lines or the scenes or the dialogues that I have trouble with - it's the depth of character and abbreviated format. If the chapters get any smaller we'll be having one / page soon.
I think the real problem is that Herbert II tries to do too much in one book, spreads himself thin, and thereby hurts the overall work. This tale could potentially have had it all: Political intrigue (Serena & Ginjo), Machine life, Norma (my fave!), the beginnings of the Guild, the Bene Geserit, the start of the mysterious bloodline, the rebirth of the human race, the Worm Rider, the Fremen, the Body Snatchers....in the end, it becomes a jumble despite the very sparse prose and strict structure.
If the author was soliciting advice, I would tell him to reduced the number of characters, focus on fewer events and plunge deeper into the remaining narrative and characters. I truly wanted to enjoy this book but the "awe" and "mystery" one felt while engaged in the original series is missing. The "House" trio was - despite the paucity of plot and characters - actually better due to a concentrated focus. Here's hoping for the better results next time.
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Not a very well constructed book 28 janvier 2004
Par Richard W. Gombert - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I am a big fan of the FH's Dune (and sequels). I also enjoyed the 'House' prequel trilogy. But, I have big issues with this second book of the 'Jihad' trilogy. It is quite obvious that the authors cobbled this together from bits and pieces that each had written. It is also quite evident that none of the authors, editors, etc. read this book in it's entirety. In the first 100 pages they bludgeon you with events from the first book. Yes many people might need to be reminded of what happened in the preceeding book, but we don't have to be told about the event three or four time with int three or four pages. This got so bad that I started to keep track of them. By the time I got to page 300 I stopped, there were just too many. Examples: On Pg 106 & Pg 108 repeated references to Cogitor Eklo. We are constantly reminded why Iblis married Camie. I got that the first time. On page 310 & 311 Vorian volunteered to do the foot work for Serena's new plans. It says 'Even before Xavier returned from Ix.' But in the previous chapter Xaview is sitting and the Jihad council table when Serena outlines her plans. I suggest that the authors pay more attention to what they're doing in the third book (which I intend to read) and the two post FH books there working on. The other book Dune books BH & KJA have written have been much better than this. I agree with the comment about the 'Encycopeadia Dune', but I don't know the full detail of licensing, copyrights, etc. that may have nesseccitated changes. I hope the authors do a better job on the next books, at least produce something up to there usual standards.
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Sad little ghost of Dune 3 octobre 2003
Par Amazon Customer - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Most people who read these prequels are most likely acquainted with the original works of Dune by Brian's father Frank. And if you aren't yet familiar with the originals then I suggest you start your reading there where it was originally meant to be. As it is, the prequels--started with the three "House" books and later moving back 10,000 years to the Butlerian Jihad--are sad little shades of Frank Herbert's visions.
As Dune fans know, the Machine Crusade is the second book of a trilogy about a war between people and machines. Cliche? Very! That is why Frank Herbert began his Dune novels 10,000 years afterwards, to show the ramifications of such a war. He moved past the cliche and developed a universe that existed without machines.
Here in the Machine Crusade we see the same typical writing of Kevin J. Anderson, whose writing style has very little eloquence compared to Frank Herbert. Frank Herbert's originals are a grand mishmash of intricate plotting that combines many aspects of human society: politics, religion, philosophy, ecology and family interaction. His books were all internal; he created characters that you cared about, that took on a life of their own even when they had such minor parts in the storyline. All these points are lost in the Machine Crusade where Anderson is mostly concerned with the external conflict of the Butlerian Jihad. Think Star Wars or Terminator. Lots of fighting. Lots of dying. No plot except for yet more fighting.
For anyone who has read the originals, you know that telling stories of battle was not Frank Herbert's purpose in these books. It was to tell chilling tales of of tragic characters whose every move impacted all of human society. The wars that took place in the original series rarely happened within the very pages of those books, but mostly happened between books or before the books. They were irrelevant except for the fact to know that they happened and people died. His purpose was to show the ramifications of those very wars.
The book fails in many aspects. Primarily, the Machine Crusade reads like a history book. In many cases its chapters just sum up what one character is thinking when it might be best to provide some much needed dialogue to give it a sense of immediacy. It's such a shame, because many of the characters have such potential, yet there is so very little interaction between the numerous main characters that you just want to yell at the book and make it DO something besides blow up robots.
I have very little doubt that if it wasn't for the name "Dune" attached to the prequels, these books would never sell. They are cliche, poorly written, have flimsy characters and numerous plotlines that rarely come together to form an ever greater story. The book's only redeeming quality is that it provides a curious glimpse at the history of the Dune universe, and that is all. Whereas the Dune originals can be reread over and over again for greater understanding and enjoyment, these books will probably gather dust or wind up on ebay.
11 internautes sur 12 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile 
more uneven than the first 6 novembre 2003
Par B. Capossere - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
As everyone knows by now, this isn't Dune. The first prequel wasn't nor will this one be. The problem isn't that this book doesn't match up well against Dune, it's that it doesn't match up well against its predecessor, the Butlerian Jihad, which itself was mostly solid rather than excellent. The Machine Crusade is a bit of a step backward for this series.
As in Butlerian Jihad, characterization continues to be pretty shallow, with several characters once again making transitions of behavior that really haven't been earned by the story. And some characters are simply skimped on.
The prequel problem of predictability due to simply filling in the design you're aiming at is more on display here than in book one, and while I can understand the need at some point for that last line (no spoilers here), making it the last line emphasizes the dangers in writing prequels--the sense your reader has that the story is being uncovered rather than growing.
The plot remains the strong point, but here too it is weaker than the first book. Some of it is too contrived while some of it takes turns more for the plot's sake than for any natural development. And the structure, which remains cutting back and forth between multiple characters and plotlines, in this book does a disservice to several characters and storylines while in the first book it served to create tension and suspense. We leave one story and when we come back to it too much has happened in the meantime that would be better shown than told or simply assumed. And I have to confess that some of the plot I just didn't get the necessity of. Some sections reinforced ideas that were pretty clear already. Some were simply repetitive, both from this book and the previous one. And some simply dwelled on characters because it seemed the authors felt it was time to get back there for a while. I thought this book needed much more editing than the first. Not necessarily to cut the length so much as to redistribute it. There was a lot that could have been freely excised which in turn could have freed up some space to do some better characterization or more sophisticated plot development.
Because of the weak characterization and the overweight plot, many of the set "emotional" scenes are anti-climatic and fall pretty lightly on the heart. Rather than bring a tear (ok, they probably weren't aiming at tears but at least some sadness) they mostly elicit a shrug of the shoulders or a "yeah, that had to happen" sort of feeling, as opposed to any sense of loss.
Overall, this work suffers from a common middle book syndrome--it serves its purpose as a bridge to book three and that's about it. There is little spark here, just a lot of concrete. You'll have to read it to get to Book three I'm sure, but don't feel bad if you decide to skim a bit here and there.
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Only read it for completeness sake. 26 mai 2005
Par Hrun - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
I can only recommend this book (or in fact the whole series of prequels) to die-hard Dune fans who don't want to miss anything.

There are 3 major points that bother me:

1) The machines (especially Omnius) are incredibly stupid. How is it possible that a machine manages to master language and logical thought, but yet not understand the concept of a lie? It is really not that hard. Look it up in a dictionary. The same goes for a number of other concepts Omnius finds difficult to understand (martyr, bluff, ...). Yet, Omnius has no problem in understanding concepts like suspicion, vindictiveness, revenge, ...

2) The book is incredibly repetitive. Granted, I do not have the best of memories, but I do not have to be reminded every 20 pages that Iblis is charismatic, Vorian is impulsive and Xavier is straightlaced.

3) The writing is pretty poor. Good writers make a person exhibit a character trait. Bad writers explain which character trait a person is exhibiting at the moment. For example, if Iblis is supposed to be charismatic, then make him charismatic. Don't write: "Using his charismatic personality Iblis did ..."

There are a number of other things that bother me about the book, but these are the big three.
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