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  • Broché: 552 pages
  • Editeur : LONELY PLANET; Édition : 11th Revised edition (30 août 2012)
  • Collection : Country Regional Guides
  • Langue : Anglais
  • ISBN-10: 1741799597
  • ISBN-13: 978-1741799590
  • Dimensions du produit: 12,8 x 2,1 x 19,7 cm
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0 internautes sur 2 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile  Par M. Christophe Roux sur 4 mars 2013
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Glaring Inaccuracies and Misdescriptions 11 janvier 2013
Par AKS - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
I am usually a big fan of Lonely Planet and admire the way its writers manage to cram in so much useful information in an easy to use format. But this guide is an absolute travesty, riddled as it is with errors and misinformation that seriously impact the way you plan your holiday. Depending on it for my Egypt vacation was a mistake, and I doubt I will be using Lonely Planets again if I have a choice in the matter.

To begin with, the book's restaurant descriptions are thoroughly wrong. Every traveller has a budget, and I picked restaurants based on the descriptions and the prices set forth in this book. The descriptions are sometimes misleading - we went to a restaurant whose air, which was supposed to be 'heavy with the smell of charcoal cooked meat" instead smelt of incense - but the pricing information is almost always inaccurate. Many restaurants we went to were priced substantially higher than what Lonely Planet said they would be - El Dokha in Aswan for instance is listed as having mains from EGP 35-50, whereas all their mains are EGP 80 (fixed price). if this was a one-off instance, I wouldn't complain, but I always found myself paying nearly twice of what I expected because I based my dining decisions on this guide.

The guide's descriptions of shop timings are out of date too. For instance, Lehnert and Landrock (the venerable Cairo photo store) was said to be open only from Monday to Saturday. We literally ran to the store on Saturday evening, choosing it over another shop that was also definitely closed on Sundays. But when we asked at the shop, they said they've been open on Sundays for the last two years. Too bad I spent extra money on a July 2012 edition thinking it would have the most up-to-date information.

Some sightseeing is misdescribed as well. For instance, the Mosque of Mohammed Ali was described as having a green emerald dome, whereas the green emerald dome actually belongs to the Mosque of Al-Nasr, next door. But this little error had us confused for over ten minutes since we were depending on accurate descriptions to orient ourselves.

The book's authors have also not understood that not all of us are Egyptologists. Thus they always advise you to plan to spend nearly double the time in a place than you actually need to see most of it. A good example is the Egyptian museum, where they recommend at least a full day. Yes, if we were amateur Egyptologists, perhaps we'd feel a day would be the minimum. But most of us are laypersons, who go to museums to get an understanding of the history and culture of the land we are visiting, and, of course, to see the most prominent exhibits. We did the Egyptian Museum thoroughly in about four hours and didn't feel at all as though we missed anything. (Tip: do the museum first when in Cairo - it'll enable you to understand much of what you see later from a historical and cultural perspective). Similarly, while the book advises you to take more than a day to visit the West Bank in Luxor, I can assure you that I - who am quite interested in history and culture and don't just visit places to check them off a list - did the West Bank in well under a day.

There's also some pure tripe in the book. I was desperate to go to the Ramesseum in Luxor because, according to the authors, it supposedly inspired Shelley's Ozymandias. I'm so glad I didn't because when I researched this claim it turned out to be pretty baseless.

All in all, the Lonely Planet had a fair amount of useful information, as it should. But we made a huge mistake depending on it - it made us overspend in restaurants, waste time by overestimating the time sights would take and following misdescriptions once at those sights, and generally annoyed us every time we discovered a mistake.
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Full of Useful Information, but it was hard to find what I needed 30 janvier 2013
Par Mark Colan - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
PROS:
A lot of useful information for visiting Egypt or just Cairo

CONS:
Poor index
Useless, incomplete Table of Contents is not at the beginning of the book
Maps show street names differently than they are called out in the book
Inadequate maps of Cairo, especially Islamic Cairo

OVERVIEW

The 2012 LP Egypt is part of the new design of LP Country Guides. I have mixed feelings about the new design. The most unsettling part is that the Table of Contents isn't at the beginning of the book. In this book, it's on page 56, is called "On The Road," and it is wholly inadequate, spanning less than two pages (there is empty space they could have filled with useful entries for Cairo, but did not). Neither Coptic Cairo nor Islamic Cairo is listed, even though Islamic Cairo has 16 pages.

As a result, we become more dependent on the index. Unfortunately, the index for this particular guide is incomplete, so it becomes difficult to find things quickly.

On the other hand, the guide is a rich source of information which is well organized. The wealth of information seems thorough and well researched. A particularly valuable chapter covers the fascinating Egypt Museum in Cairo - which is important, because the many treasures housed there are poorly organized, have faded labels, and the museum is a bit dim. The guide becomes the only way, short of hiring a guide, to find your way around.

FINDING INFORMATION - AN EXAMPLE

One day in Cairo - Sept 11, 2012, the day the US Embassy was attacked, as it happens - I decided I wanted to visit Coptic Cairo (a.k.a. Coptic Museum), then the spice market in Islamic Cairo.

The table of contents for the book is found on page 55 - much farther in that most books. It consists of FOUR entries for Cairo section: Cairo, Greater Cairo, Giza, and Heliopolis. Following that is a section for the Egyptian Museum (which is in Cairo), consisting of 22(!) entries, most of which are for ROOMS in the museum. I grant you, the Egyptian Museum is important, but listing rooms in the table of contents isn't very helpful, especially when the space could have been used to list some essential sights in Cairo - such as Coptic Cairo and Islamic Cairo, both of which are listed in the "Cairo in 4 days" highlights and on the Cairo map on pages 60-61. But no.

Next stop, the index. Under "Coptic", there are three entries, none of which is "Coptic Cairo" (as it is called in several places in the book) or "Coptic Museum", both of which are listed on the Cairo map. But the index DOES list "Coptic sites," with several pages called out. One of them is for a section of the book on page 71 titled "Coptic Cairo", and in a grey box on that page, it tells me that I can get there by taking the Metro to Mar Girgis. I found what I needed, though it could have been easier.

Now, for Islamic Cairo, for some interesting markets. It cannot be found in EITHER the Table of Contents or the Index, either under "Islamic" or "Markets". But then I noticed that it immediately follows the section on "Coptic Cairo", so I'm set. Sort of. Where "Coptic Cairo" had a "Practicalities" box that told me how to get there, the "Islamic Cairo" section has a grey box, not at the beginning, called "Visiting Islamic Cairo". But these are tips that are useful once you are there, but no hint on how to actually get there. Another box, "Islamic Cairo: Planning a Walk" does have some information on how to get there. It mentions a metro stop called Bab al-Shaaria, but the only map this appears on is the Cairo overview map, and there is no map that shows the various streets they mention for walking to this area.

I recall that in taking the Metro to Bab al-Shaaria that it was not straight forward. There were no detail maps showing it; it appears only on the Cairo overview map, which has only a few major streets shown. I had a problem where one of the stops I needed to change trains had changed names compared to what was in the book. Eventually, I just got out of the metro system and started asking for directions with the few words of Arabic I learned, or occasionally found English speakers, and walked.

BOTTOM LINE

Three stars ("It's OK"). Despite the wealth of useful information in the book, the organization, table of contents, and index are so poor that it takes far too long to find what I was looking for.
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updated info good, updated maps not so much 10 juin 2013
Par Paul J. Nicolais - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
I used this guide exclusively during three weeks of independent travel throughout Egypt. There will always be some lag between what's written and the reality of any place; but it certainly was a welcome update to the previous edition (which I used in 2012). What I did not like were the city maps. I much preferred the black & white maps with a wider view than the current ones with various shades of blue and grey. The fact that some icons were blue and others were black didn't help either; It seemed like I was constantly referring to to the map legend on page 550 to find out what I was looking at rather than the one immediately following a given map.
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pick up the 2010 edition 13 février 2013
Par Mannum balum-Assur - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
The 2012 edition is part of LP new design. Sure, it has its advantages. For instances, it looks great on mobile devices like an e-reader, if you would happen to carry these things around in the county.

Now let us compare it with the previous edition from 2010 e.g. the Cairo main map (2012; 60-61 ~ 2010:112-113). Immediately it becomes apparent that aside from the fancy new colours, the 2012 edition lacks details as most streets are not indicated. Sure, there are many smaller detailed maps for most of the areas, but what if I would simply want to go the Cairo Gateway bus station which can only be found on the main map? Ok, lets assume we take a taxi, they are not that expensive in Egypt after all. A similar issue occurs with the Aswan maps. Let's forgive the new fancy (but unclear) coloured maps as long as they are as detailed and large as they need to be. Let's also forgive the new arrangement of the chapters. Though I am less forgiving about the price order of hotels and restaurants being suddenly mixed instead of ascending according to price range. I am also unsure about coloured drawings(!) of major tourist areas like the pyramid in addition to the normal maps. Seriously LP, if I was interested in these things I would have bought an "Eyewitness Travel Guide" instead. In general, the new colour scheme is everything but friendly on the eyes. You will find that the the new line of guides has diminished in the travel information useful for independent travellers on a budget. I would highly recommend choosing the 2010 edition.

I give one star, not because it is the most terrible guide available, but because one can hardly "reward" such as step backwards with an "ok-rating."
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orientalist travel guide 30 juin 2013
Par Amazon Customer - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
This was my first purchase of an LP travel guide, picking it over DK, i must say it is inadequat . The budget hotel recommendations, the pyramids, the Egyptian museum and the tombs in luxor seem well explained but the
maps are poor and the organization of info is lopsided.
I was put off by the orientalist tone.
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