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  • Broché: 400 pages
  • Editeur : Inner Traditions Bear and Company (30 septembre 2012)
  • Langue : Anglais
  • ISBN-10: 1594774978
  • ISBN-13: 978-1594774973
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Forgotten Civilization : une théorie révolutionnaire 24 janvier 2013
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Un livre aussi sérieux que novateur. La découverte de Gobleki Tepe confirme la précédente hypothèse de Schoch concernant la datation du Sphynx de Gizeh. La nouvelle datation des "Moai" de l'Ile de Pâques rend également plausible l' émergence, à la fin de l'époque glaciaire, d'une civilisation brillante utilisant des techniques non conventionnelles (concept de la "new science") et menacée par les éruptions solaires.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 The Role of Solar Outbursts 15 mai 2014
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Schoch offers an interesting new theory about the origins of civilization. His hypothesis is that advanced civilizations existed much earlier than we thought and have disappeared prematurely because they have been destroyed by solar outbursts. This concept is thought provoking, to say the least. But I have to admit that it is only halfway through the book that I started to warmup to the idea.

The reason it took me so long to accept his theory is because several of his arguments are not particularly convincing. Although the author is a scholar he does not always present scholarly evidences for his speculations. But he likes to bash mainstream science a lot though. So much so that it becomes annoying over time.

Some, but not all, of his arguments are rather vague or hazy. The author can be scientifically very convincing when he writes about his own field, which is geology. But he frequently offers weak support for other theories that he discusses in the book and his thinking appears to be generally narrowly focused on his personal worldview. I will give one example of this. When Schoch presents "evidences" to show a relation between certain artefacts and his theory of solar outbursts he ignores other possibilities entirely. For instance where many observers would readily see "proof" of extraterrestrial presence in some of those artefacts, Schoch only sees "proof" of solar outbursts manifestations.

All that takes nothing away from his basic tenet that solar outbursts may indeed have caused the demise of several early civilizations. But unfortunately throughout the book we are often subjected to feeble arguments about some other weird theories. While many points may be scientifically valid and thought provoking, a few others seem to have been expressed by a lunatic.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 WHY YOU SHOULD BUY THIS BOOK 27 septembre 2012
Par Carol E. - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Forgotten Civilization by Dr. Robert Schoch

Why should you buy this book?
1) You're already looking at it so you must have some interest in this topic.
2) Dr. Schoch has a great ability to take his, or others, theories and support them with well researched scientific data. This is helpful to those of us who are curious about alternative explanations but are still dependent on the "scientific thinking" paradigm. (He doesn't make statements like "when humans bred with aliens in 20,823 BC...").
3) He always makes you think about conventional wisdom in a new way. For instance, in this book - the age of Easter Island statues (moai). How DID they get buried so deeply when they (conventionally) only go back to a South Pacific Polynesian settlement times??
I have stood in front of the moais on Easter Island and read many books on it's history and it never occurred to me to question the timeline. It takes that unique geologist perspective which Dr Schoch brings to his writings.
4) He introduces you to other researchers or writers that you will want to know more about. Like Thomas Brophy, Anthony Peratt, Paul LaViolette and many others.
5) The Appendices. Some excellent information on multiple topics included at the end of the book.
6) Because Dr. Schoch has gone where many others SHOULD go - against conventional archeological/historical wisdom which makes no sense.
His initial theories on the age of the Sphinx as a young academic were very daring and absolutely correct. The geological community had no problem with his ideas - but Egyptologists did, and they have been after him ever since.
Choosing a controversial research path has meant some changes in his academic career I'm sure, as "Academics," for all it's spouting of tremendous support for new knowledge and research is very much mired in politically correct concrete. (Go to Egypt and look for yourself. Even a casual tourist will see how wrong standard academic theories are currently).
7) I guarantee you will learn new and interesting things that just may change your life - or at the very least, change the way you think about the future.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 A very important book 13 septembre 2012
Par R. Plom - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Robert's latest book is prescient and very important for the times we are living in. His deep background in geology and open mind give him a unique perspective on what has happened in the misty fog of the past on this planet. There's so much good material in this book that I do not know where to start! It spans a range of topics like a symphony, from Easter Island and Gobekli Tepe to the role of the Sun and solar outburst in natural disasters to Zep Tepi in ancient Egypt. Robert lays out convincing evidence that a forgotten civilization with high culture was potentially obliterated by plasma storms from the Sun around 12,000 years ago. With our world so dependent on electromagnetic technology Robert is giving us a chance to re-evaulate and potentially avoid history repeating itself. Robert is a solid scientist, his credentials are impeccable and he has a keen mind and ability to cut to the core of an issue. Robert is able to accomplish the rare feat of explaining complex scientific topics in a way that you and I can easily understand. I could not put this book down and had to read it cover to cover over the course of a week and I'll be re-reading it again because it's deep and thoughtful.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 The sun devasted our planet long ago and may do so again soon 14 octobre 2012
Par David Montaigne - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I first heard of Robert Schoch about fifteen years ago when I watched the NBC special "The Mysterious Origins of Man." Schoch was brought into the project both for his PhD in geology from Yale and for his open-mindedness, specifically on the age of the Sphinx. Despite the assertion of mainstream Egyptology that the Sphinx could not be more than, at most, about 4,500 to 5,000 years old - Schoch said the Sphinx showed obvious erosion from intense rainfall, the likes of which Egypt had not seen for several thousand years before conventional theories permitted. He stuck his neck out (though not as boldly as John Anthony West, who suggested a far older date for the Sphinx) and said that mainstream Egyptology's date for the Sphinx is probably off by a few thousand years. This unorthodoxy brought many negative responses from established PhDs in a variety of fields.

At the time (early to mid 1990s) when Schoch and West were first getting attention for the idea that erosion by rainfall proved the Sphinx is older than we have been taught, one rebuttal from the orthodox Egyptologists was to ask who built it. "Where's the civilization" before dynastic Egypt? In the early 90s there was little evidence to counter the accepted paradigm that no society that far back was organized enough to build monuments.

This changed with the ongoing discoveries at Gobekli Tepe in southeast Turkey, which has been excavated by German (and Turkish) archeologists since 1994. As Schoch points out in "Forgotten Civilization" mainstream archeologists now date the monuments there to approximately 9-10,000 B.C. The established existence of an organized society at this point in time makes Schoch's conservatively early dating of the Sphinx seem less unlikely. It offers proof that man had achieved civilization earlier than we were taught.

But a very ancient Sphinx and very ancient Gobekli Tepe also force us to wonder what happened to this early civilization which rose and fell with no continuation, with no evidence of organized society for thousands of years after - until approximately 3,100 B.C. Why did the earliest monument builders completely disappear?

Schoch suggests that there were "catastrophes that occurred over ten thousand years ago, eradicating this early, forgotten civilization." (p. 8) He tells us that "geological data indicate that the last ice age ended extremely suddenly, catastrophically, around 9700 BCE.... and I believe, the date of a major solar outburst." (p. 253) He describes evidence of a major solar flare hitting the earth, and suggests that the sun is nowhere near as stable as recent history implies. Instead he assumes "that major plasma events might impact Earth approximately every ten thousand years. It has been 11,700 years since the last one." (p. 103)

The implication is that we are overdue for a solar event capable of causing a civilization-ending catastrophe. It might originate with the sun's own cyclical variations, or perhaps the sun's activity is triggered by a cosmic source like Dr. Paul LaViolette's galactic superwaves. While not specifically assuming that a pole shift will occur, nor that it will occur on December 21, 2012 at the end of the Mayan Long Count - Schoch suggests that something catastrophic may very well occur near the Mayan end date. But to him, such an approximation could mean 2012, 2013, or even 2050. (p. 216)

As an author covering similar topics (ancient civilizations, cosmic catastrophes, the Mayan Calendar, prophecies of the end of the world, etc.) I agree with Schoch on many points, although my analysis concludes that we should worry about a very specific date in 2019. Schoch takes a slightly different route than I do (focusing on geological evidence and solar outbursts) but we reach similar overall conclusions because we are analyzing many of the same facts. The truth is becoming more obvious, (especially within the last twenty years) despite attempts from established schools of thought to stifle innovative reevaluations of cherished paradigms.

A major part of Schoch's premise assumes not only that a solar plasma event devastated Earth around 9700 BCE, but that our distant ancestors recorded what they saw when the plasma hit and strange electrical discharges and auroras dominated the skies. He discusses what might be drawings and descriptions of this event from many cultures, but focuses on Easter Island's moai statues and rongorongo text. I do not feel there is enough evidence on Easter Island to be thoroughly convincing, but his ideas on this merit consideration - he made a sensible argument based on the minimal evidence available.

I am not quite sure why, near the end of the book, he delves into many unusual topics - such as ESP and parapsychology, quantum entanglement, harmonic resonances, faster than light travel, retrocausality, precognition, and the illusion of free will - to name a few. I suppose his aim is to point out that many ideas are viewed as pseudoscience, even when there is some evidence in their favor... or perhaps to suggest that research in these fields challenges accepted conclusions, and like his early dating of the Sphinx, may be accepted in due time. If nothing else, such topics provide readers with more questions to ponder after finishing the book - because Schoch proves fairly conclusively that a solar event did terminate a forgotten civilization over ten thousand years ago, and that we have reasons to expect a similar catastrophe soon ourselves.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 A hard book to put down 13 septembre 2012
Par T. Smith - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I thought this was an extremely well written book. Dr. Schoch touches on many ideas and cross references and using hard science, ties it all into an overall theory that is both logical and frightening. This is one of those books that leaves you thinking, long after your done reading it.

If you have have any interest in solar flares and the role they've played in our history and will play in our future, you should read this book.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Challenging but not intimidating 15 février 2013
Par Veronius - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Full disclosure: I have been to Egypt and to Gobekli Tepe with Dr. Schoch, and would be hard pressed to imagine a better mix of intellectual rigour, humility and - most strikingly - the kind of open-mindedness that we're taught to believe prevails in academia but which is actually far from the norm.

In fact that might be for me the most impressive and disconcerting takeaway from Forgotten Civilization. Dr. Schoch's experiences, which he discusses candidly here, illustrate that many in academia are devoted not so much to open-minded inquiry as to establishing and defending consensus. It's a pretty disheartening picture. If scientists and academics are just as likely to defend their turf against new ideas by means both honest and dishonest as they are to examine those new ideas in a spirit of genuine critical inquiry, where does that leave our notions of human progress?

I'd already gathered from conversations with Dr. Schoch that he's paid a price for advancing his theories about the advent of civilization, but not until I read this book did I really understand how systematic and widespread the resistance of his "fellow" scholars has actually been, not only to his ideas but also to many others that challenge prevailing orthodoxy. But maybe I'm just being naive. Academics are humans too! And after all, at the end of the day ideas do still manage to evolve and advance over time. It just takes longer than it should because new ideas have to break through the walls people throw up around old ones, a struggle that takes time and energy. One wishes we could use all that time and energy more efficiently and develop our knowledge of our world and ourselves at a steady pace instead of waging this two-steps-forward-one-and-a-half-steps-back intellectual warfare. It's such a waste.

Still, the back-and-forth, never-uniform advance of historical understanding nicely mirrors Dr. Schoch's own theories about the development of human civilization, which he believes got off to a rocky start, to put it mildly. At the risk of caricaturing his ideas by trying to sum them up in such a short space, he believes it is very possible that human civilization had attained a much higher level of sophistication millennia earlier than is generally acknowledged, only to be virtually destroyed by a period of catastrophic solar activity that forced survivors to seek shelter and set human progress back thousands of years. Gobekli Tepe is a centrepiece of this new thinking - a haunting site of amazing beauty and sophistication that dates to at least 9000 BCE, several millennia before conventional thinking even admits the possibility that humans should have been able to build such structures.

Another discouraging point Dr. Schoch makes is that these periods of solar hyperactivity occur cyclically and, judging by the length of the cycles, we're now officially overdue for another major outburst - a sobering thought given how utterly dependent we've become on the electrical grid, which would be one of the first things to be fried. Just try to imagine for a moment what would happen if electrical power suddenly failed over the entire planet with no reasonable hope of getting it back up and running for weeks, months or maybe even years.

Anyway I won't try to present all of the ideas presented in this very wide-ranging book. There's way more here than what I've talked about. Get Forgotten Civilization and read it! Dr. Schoch's writing is clear and direct, mercifully free of academic jargon and obviously designed for a wide readership. I'm aware that at least one other reviewer on here has found the writing too technical, and I'm at a loss to understand why. Yes, Dr. Schoch's whole approach is rigorously grounded in scientific research, and he's not afraid to throw hard science into the discussion. But he does it in a very approachable, unintimidating way, and even a non-scientist like me was able to follow the discussion, admittedly with a few re-readings in places.

To sum up, this book will challenge your notions about how human history has unfolded. And that's a good thing, right?
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