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John Noble, from the UK, first arrived in Georgia in 1990 when it was still officially part of the Soviet Union and he was writing Lonely Planet's first (and last) guide to that now-defunct empire. Entering Georgia from Russia through the Dariali Gorge to Kazbegi was like taking a big breath of fresh air. John was thrilled by the Georgians' love of freedom and the outstanding warmth of their hospitality, and every visit since then has deepened his own love for this utterly unique and stunningly beautiful country, which is now finally gaining the place in travellers' consciousnesses that it deserves. John has written on many ex-Soviet states for Lonely Planet, but none quite like Georgia. Michael Kohn first visited the Caucasus in 2006. having travelled there the hard way on a turbulent crossing of the Caspian Sea to Baku. After zigzagging through the region he returned a year later to cover Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh for the 3rd edition of this guide. Struck by the kindness of the Armenian people on his previous visit, Michael was thrilled to take a second tour of duty of Armenia and NK in 2011. He specialises in writing Lonely Planet guides to Silk Road regions from China to the Levant. Born in Belgium, Danielle Systermans has spent the last 25 years travelling the globe, both modestly for pleasure and more luxuriously in the world of international finance. She first arrived in Baku back in 1995 with an improbable mission : to explain the 'new idea' of credit cards to an audience of sceptical ex-Soviets. Judging from all the ATMs in town these days she was quite successful. Friendships and an unquenchable traveller-curiousity keep bringing her back to the region in a series of visits that have been as stormy as any love-affair, and just as compulsive.


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  • Broché: 328 pages
  • Editeur : LONELY PLANET; Édition : 4th Revised edition (12 juillet 2012)
  • Collection : Country Regional Guides
  • Langue : Anglais
  • ISBN-10: 174179403X
  • ISBN-13: 978-1741794038
  • Dimensions du produit: 12,8 x 1,8 x 19,7 cm
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2 internautes sur 2 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile  Par Benjamin JAHN sur 16 mai 2014
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
Je n'ai utilisé que les chapitres relatifs à la Géorgie et à l'Arménie, visitées à plusieurs reprises. Les informations générales sur ces deux pays sont assez intéressantes, bien qu'empreintes de beaucoup de clichés "occidentaux" stigmatisant la méchante Russie notamment dans le cas du conflit Russo-georgien de 2008.

La carte du centre-ville de Tbilissi est trop peu détaillée pour être utilisable, et le guide fait référence à plusieurs reprises à une boutique dans laquelle il est effectivement indispensable de passer une tête pour s'équiper d'un plan plus précis. Nous avons testé deux restaurants conseillés (toujours à Tbilissi) et avons été terriblement déçus : l'un faisait partie d'une chaîne de quasi-fast food; l'autre présenté comme une auberge à la décoration fantastique et à la cuisine merveilleuse était glauque à souhait et n'avait que la moitié des plats présentés sur la carte.
Pour Erevan c'est à peu près le même topo.

Bref, pas d'une grande utilité sur place, achat déconseillé. Pour les russophones, mieux vaut se renseigner sur place auprès des locaux, absolument adorables.
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Par archi sur 31 octobre 2014
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format kindle ebook pratique.Les adresses données sont souvent intéressantes, mais couvrir trois cultures en un seul livre est évidement difficile. M'a rendu service et se lit facilement. Je recommande donc
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3 internautes sur 6 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile  Par Ofik Petrosyan sur 24 avril 2013
Format: Broché
Les trois pays en 300 pages c'est extrêmement superficiel. Et puis c'est cher pour ce que c'est. Tout le contraire des guides Laos et Cambodge de LP chacun de 400 pages.
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LP: Definitely Necessary and Almost Sufficient 23 septembre 2012
Par kmir - Publié sur Amazon.com
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This is a review for the 4th edition of the Lonely Planet "Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan".

All-in-all, this is a positive review. To put it in perspective: I have not used the previous editions of this book, or any other travel guides for the region. I travelled all three countries in two weeks, actually using the route (Tbilisi, Baku, Seki, Yerevan, two monasteries, Tbilisi, Kazbegi) suggested by the book for such an endeavor, even if decided independently from the book.

The LP proved to be quite useful, in particular when it comes to the maps and information on transportation (departure sites and times). Of course, some timetables change, so if you tend to plan tightly, try to inquire ahead of time. The map material was generally sufficient, though sometimes slightly inaccurate, which may also be caused by the vicious construction activity particularly in Georgia. A separate map for the Kazbegi area would be helpful. It would be nice to have some information on hiking Debed Canyon in Armenia.
It is almost essential for information on some sights, as occassionally there is no or very sparse information in English at the actual sight. So if you want to read a little about the history of the place you are looking at, the LP provides some. At this point, I would like to make a suggestion for future editions, though: Some of the sights *do* have information in English, sometimes more elaborate than the LP. If the intention is to keep the book at a reasonable travel size, one could leave out information on the sites that do have their own and include some more info on the sights that don't have a lot for people not knowing the languages of the region. The way things are now, the history sections in the LP are quite brief. The writing style tends to be slightly sarcastic, which seems to be a matter of taste.
I would also include a little more information on the languages, in particular the alphabets for Georgian and Armenian, respectively. I printed those out separately, and while I did not have time to learn the Armenian alphabet, I did learn about 60% of the Georgian (the most important letters), which is extremely helpful when reading road signs for locations (often in Georgian only) or menus at non-tourist eateries. (Tip: Print out a few essential words, such as Tbilisi, one, two, three, your name in the original script and transliterated. Learning the letters by memorizing a few common words makes it a lot easier and more fun. Also, you can make the locals happy if you learn a few words such as hello, how are you, my name is ..., and thank you.) For the most important locations, the LP does include the name in Georgian with the description of the place in the book, but I believe it wouldn't hurt to do this with almost all locations.

Here are a few more specific issues:
The marionette theatre in Tbilisi at the time of writing only has shows on Fri, Sat, and Sun. This is not posted outside the theatre, you need to ask an employee. There seems to be no operational post office in Tbilisi (or Georgia in general). We and multiple other travellers had no luck finding one at the various suggested locations. Train 372 from Yerevan to Tbilisi leaves Yerevan at 15:15 in the summer; the train number may be different as well. There is no overnight train to Tbilisi. Mugam Club in Baku is closed on Monday nights. To get to the main bus terminal in Baku, leave the subway at 20 Yanvar, then take a bus to avtovagzal (about 20 minutes).
The exchange rates for Dram (Armenia) and Manat (Azerbaijan) are incorrect.

The hike up mount Kazbeg to the glacier takes a little longer than the LP seems to suggest. We left Gergeti at 10 am, spent about 30 minutes at the monastery, and then climbed the mountain with essentially no breaks. We had very little to carry and overtook almost all other hikers, which were, without exception, multiple day hikers trying to climb past the glacier. Yet, at 3:50 pm, being within 500m of the glacier, we decided to turn back without having reached it, in fear it might get dark before we hit the main road again. I estimate it to be a good 1h 45m - 2h from the rest point at 2960m until you reach the glacier. In total, we hiked for 9h 45m, including a few 5 minute breaks, but did not make it. Be aware and start at 8 am. Bring water. Note: We are in our early 30's and in decent shape, I run 8 miles a week, my friend swims 2 or 3 km a week, both at a decent pace.

One final note: I also bought the 'International Travel Maps' map "Azerbaijan & Armenia" Azerbaijan & Armenia 1:560,000 including inset of BAku and Yerevan, which also includes a good portion of Georgia (except Kazbegi). I cannot recommend this map. The transliteration of names into English is quite bad, to the point where you cannot recognize them sometimes, and names in the original scripts are not included. Further, some towns and villages are shown on the map that don't seem to exist, while existing ones are excluded. In total, I found the small maps within the LP a lot more helpful than this map. The best maps at various scales are available from Geoland (in Tbilisi and online: geoland.ge).

Addendum 01/26/13: We experienced very little corruption or attempts at double-crossing. The occasional taxi driver may claim that you agreed with him on a price of 50 Manat or Lari instead of the 15 you clearly remember, but in the two cases we experienced this, we firmly repeated the originally agreed upon price once or twice and the attempts were stopped (one of the taxi drivers even made a slightly embarrassed face right away). One thing happened, however, in Baku: When we descended the steps from the monument for WW2 as well as the war in 1992 at dusk, we were approached by two men who claimed to be police and flashed some kind of ID in front of our faces. They claimed to have seen us kissing on top of the stairs, close to the memorial and a mosque which is also located up there, and said this was a serious impermissible act. My friend and I have never exchanged a kiss in the 12 years that we have known each other. They proceeded to threaten us with taking us to the "police station". We kept stating that we did not kiss and were willing to accompany them to the police station to make a statement. Eventually, they left us with a warning and vanished.
We are fairly certain that these gentlemen were interested in obtaining money from us in exchange for not taking us to the police station. We have experienced similar situation several times in formerly Soviet occupied countries and can only recommend showing the same readiness to be taking to "the authorities" to other travelers.
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Most useful Caucasus guide book for an odd reason 29 octobre 2012
Par Sharon - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
We have just returned from a month-long trip through the three countries of the Caucasus and found, sadly, that they (to paraphrase the old Kingston Trio song) don't like each other very much. While Georgia is on good terms with both neighboring Armenia and Azerbaijan, the latter two seem to be on a collision course... reinterpreting history to suit their own current political ends. If you visit Armenia first and travel to occupied Karabagh, forget getting into Azerbaijan. You will even be hassled at the airports of both capitals if your passport contains a visa from the other country.

This whole bit of nastiness between the two even extends to guidebooks a traveler might be carrying upon entering one or the other. If authorities notice in Baku that you have an "Armenia Guidebook" they will confiscate it... and visa versa in Yerevan if you have an "Azerbaijan Guidebook." This, therefore, makes the Lonely Planet Guide that covers all three countries a good choice for a guidebook to be carrying through the region...if for a sad reason. While other guidebook might provide more detail on history and places to see, as usual, this Lonely Planet Guide manages to do a good job covering things in all three countries in one slim volume. Well done, again, Lonely Planet!
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travel in the Caucasus 12 novembre 2012
Par tomfelix - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
The book is more than adequate as a guide to the region, if not quite as thorough as it might be. But it covers three very different countries in a fairly remote part of the world, so that's to be expected. I found no other concise travel guides out there for the Caucasus. I tried to follow one of the walking tours described in the book, and that proved challenging, though eventually I was able to find the landmarks they mentioned. Again, overall it does the job more than adequately.
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Lonely Planet Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan 19 janvier 2013
Par jhauck6671 - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
Ok folks, do you expect this book to cover 5,000 years of history in a single volume? Of course not, but what this wonderful book does in just a few pages, is create in the reader's heart, a desire to perhaps travel and explore just a little more than originally intended. I had my own ideas of what I wanted to see, but was not mindful of the little things I would encounter, e.g., the national voltage, the exchange rate, the best way to travel once you arrive and other helpful tips. Best of all, this book gave me the right words to google for more information. Purchase this book: You'll be glad you did!
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planning a trip to the Caucasus 11 mars 2014
Par Craig Headman - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
I've only used the book for research so far. As I've not yet traveled, I cannot know if some of the details contained are accurate, though with LP they USUALLY are. The book gave me most of the answers I was seeking. And with information that I found there, I decided that a few days in Azerbijan wasn't worth the expensive visa. So, the book is a success for now.
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