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Détails sur le produit

  • Interprète: The Tallis Scholars
  • Chef d'orchestre: Peter Phillips
  • Compositeur: Jean Mouton
  • CD (1 novembre 2012)
  • Nombre de disques: 1
  • Label: Gimell
  • ASIN : B008IEDWCS
  • Autres éditions : Téléchargement MP3
  • Moyenne des commentaires client : 5.0 étoiles sur 5 2 commentaires client
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Liste des titres

Disque : 1

  1. Dictes moy toutes voz pens,es
  2. Kyrie
  3. Gloria
  4. Credo
  5. Sanctus & benedictus
  6. Agnus dei I, II & III
  7. Quis dabit oculis? (lament for anna)
  8. Ave maria . benedicta tu
  9. Salva nos, domine
  10. Ave maria . virgo serena
  11. Nesciens mater

Descriptions du produit

Description du produit

Loyset Compere (1445-1518) (1445-1518) : Dictes moy toutes, Chanson pour 3 voix / Jean Mouton (?1459-1522) : Missa "Dictes moy toutes vos Pensées", pour 4 voix - Quis dabit oculis nostris, pour 4 voix - Ave Maria benedicta tu, Motet pour 4 voix - Salva nos Domine, pour 6 voix - Ave Maria Virgo Serena, pour 5 voix - Nesciens Mater Virgo Virum, pour 8 voix / The Tallis Scholars - Peter Phillips

Critique

"…excellent recording, providing both sharp focus and a sense of spacioucness and depth." Performance ***** Recording *****

--BBC Music Magazine, Nov'12

"The Scholars shine a light on the man in Josquin's shadow."

--Gramophone Awards issue '12

…Exquisitely refined and crystalline. --IRR, Nov'12


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Par Cetalir TOP 50 COMMENTATEURS le 19 février 2013
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Comme il est rappelé dans le commentaire "revue de presse", ce disque a fait l'objet d'un accueil unanimement enthousiaste de la critique avec, entre autres chez nous, un Diapason d'Or et un Choc de Classica.

Voici un enregistrement qui ravira tous les amateurs de chant a capella et contrapuntique. Si on connaît bien Josquin Des Prez qui fut son contemporain et ami, rares sont ceux qui auraient pu prétendre jusqu'ici avoir ne serait-ce qu'entendu parler de Jean Mouton qui fut pourtant l'autre grand maître des grandes pièces chorales qui allaient poser les bases de toute la musique classique à venir fuyant définitivement la linéarité moyenâgeuse.

Sa messe à huit voix enregistrée ici est considérée comme son chef-d'oeuvre et force est de reconnaître qu'il s'agit là d'une oeuvre éminemment complexe et élaborée dans son écriture, capable pourtant de sonner clair malgré les subtils enchevêtrements des lignes de chant.

Les Tallis Schollars firent partie des tout premiers, il y a quarante ans, à redécouvrir la musique de cette époque, à réapprendre à la comprendre, à l'enregistrer et la promouvoir sous l'égide de son créateur Peter Phillips toujours à la manoeuvre. Déjà, le niveau était extraordinaire à l'époque. Il est devenu l'incarnation de la perfection depuis et ce disque est à marquer d'une pierre blanche. A double titre : pour la qualité d'une interprétation tout en nuances et en souplesse, faisant respirer les plus infimes détails et pour remettre en lumière un chef-d'oeuvre oublié et pourtant majeur pour comprendre l'histoire de la Musique.

Un indispensable à tout amateur !
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Deux enregistrements consacré exclusivement à Jean Mouton (145901522) en l’espace de quelques mois – il y de quoi se réjouir ! Des quinze messes composées par ce dernier, seule sa « Missa Dictes moy toutes vos pensées » avait fait l’objet d’un enregistrement avant aujourd’hui (enregistrée en 2000 par The Gentlemen of St. John’s, dir. Graham Walker – Quilisma 402). Les Tallis Scholars nous en livrent une nouvelle interprétation en 2012.
Une autre messe, la seule à cinq voix Missa Tu Es Petrus vient tout juste de paraître à l’été 2012.

La « Missa Dictes moy toutes vos pensées » s’inspire d’une chanson composée par Loyset Compère que l’on retrouve d’ailleurs sur le cd. La messe elle-même est d’une durée d’environ 40 minutes. En complément de programme on nous offre quelques motets de Mouton : "Quis dabit oculis?" (Lament for Anna), "Ave Maria … benedicta tu", "Salva nos, Domine", "Ave Maria … virgo serena", et le très célèbre "Nesciens mater".

La presse écrite a réservé un accueil unanimement positif à cet enregistrement. Chez Diapason on lui a décerné un « Diapason d’or » et chez Classica, un « Choc ».
David Fiala (Diapason) écrit qu’il s’agit d’une messe qui possède « … en matière d’écriture et d’inspiration le lyrisme mélodique, la maîtrise rhétorique et la science contrapuntique (qui situent Mouton)… juste à côté de Josquin, prince des musiciens ».
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HASH(0x8f192f90) étoiles sur 5 Strangeness and beauty 11 octobre 2012
Par Stephen Midgley - Publié sur Amazon.com
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How strange are the ways of the recording companies - but perhaps understandably, as I'll explain in a moment. Jean Mouton was one of the great composers of the Franco-Flemish school, yet there had not been a recording exclusively devoted to his music for at least ten years, and even before that only one as far as I know. And now two come along within a few months of one another - the Brabant Ensemble's wonderful CD of Mouton: Missa Tu es Petrus and this present disc from the Tallis Scholars (update: see Richard Bell's comment below).

This consists of Mouton's fine paraphrase mass based on Loyset Compère's rondeau "Dictes moy toutes voz pensées", together with an impressive collection of five motets. Compère's gently plaintive 3-part song, the opening item on the disc, makes an intriguing model for the Mass. The latter boasts a rich texture from the very start, with the lower voices sounding especially prominent here and at various other points. Throughout the work, Mouton shows seemingly boundless imagination and ingenuity in reworking the motifs of Compère's song, just as is the case with his treatment of the cantus firmus theme in the Missa Tu es Petrus. All this is performed most beautifully by Peter Phillips and the Tallis Scholars - who have been slimming down a bit in recent years, singing two voices per part for most of the works here, and OVPP for the last item, the 8-voice "Nesciens Mater". Their singing has a lovely, well-balanced texture - as at the start of the Sanctus, to take just one example - while the middle section of Mouton's Agnus Dei, again dominated by the low voices, is remarkable and, once more, quite beautifully sung here. In mentioning the lower voices a couple of times I don't mean to underplay the others - the sopranos and altos make superb contributions, resulting in a marvellously balanced sound.

As for the rest of the programme, it's this that prompts me to think how strange also are the vagaries of individual taste - which is why we can't always blame the recording companies for not knowing what we'll want to buy. In the case of the Brabant Ensemble's Mouton recording it was above all the Mass that really bowled me over, whereas some other reviewers (on Amazon or elsewhere) were more lukewarm. On the present disc, for my taste, it's the motets that really got me going on this occasion. To mention only a few highlights, Mouton's lament for Anne of Brittany, "Quis dabit oculis?", brings us marvellously mournful chords at the name 'Anna', again expressed with a lovely vocal texture. "Salva nos" is short but glorious - two and a half minutes of sheer delight. In "Ave Maria ... virgo serena", Mouton seems to be taking a leaf from Josquin's book in the latter's setting of the same title but a different text; a similar alternation of polyphony with the occasional declamatory passage results in a very substantial work that's not so far off the sheer perfection of 'Josquinus incomparabilis'. And finally we have "Nesciens mater", familiar to all renaissance fans, in a very fine rendering in which each individual voice can be clearly followed - bringing the programme to a magical close.

Whatever the finer points of our preferences, however, this disc makes an excellent companion to the Brabants' Missa Tu es Petrus - and, I hope, to any future undertakings of the many fine renaissance ensembles out there who may fancy bringing us another Mass or two from Mouton's impressive output. Actually, Mouton's "Missa Dictes moy" has been recorded before, with a mostly different group of motets, by The Gentlemen of St John's directed by Graham Walker: Nesciens Mater: Choral works of Jean Mouton. That, too, is a fine recording, very hard to get hold of these days but well worth the effort. In the meantime, well done to both the Tallis Scholars and the Brabant Ensemble; and again, record companies, please can we have some more?
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HASH(0x8f19342c) étoiles sur 5 A fantastic recording 16 octobre 2012
Par Sid Nuncius - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
The Tallis Scholars are invariably excellent (I have loved their recordings for over thirty years now), but every so often they release a disc which is truly exceptional even by their own stellar standards. This is one of them. Mouton's music is rich, distinctive and astonishingly beautiful, featuring a serenity and sweetness of tone seldom matched in Renaissance polyphony but never becomes bland or monotonous because Mouton varies his mood and effects so cleverly that there is always variety and something new to keep the ear interested and - for me, anyway - often spellbound.

The mass setting here is really excellent, with Mouton's ingenious use of Compere's chanson Dittez moy as a basis binding it together beautifully and keeping even the long movements fresh and interesting throughout. The motets are also terrific, with the amazing setting of Ave maria...virgo serena showing hints that Mouton occasionally came close to Josquin's genius in composition.

The disc ends with Mouton's only well-known work, the fabulously beautiful Nesciens mater. I already have three dearly-loved versions but this may well be my favourite. Sung one to a part, it has a spare clarity which allows it to really shine. As Dorothy L. Sayers said of Dante's Divine Comedy, it has a lasting beauty being built on noble bones and here the Tallis Scholars allow that innate beauty to shine. This is true throughout the disc, which has a deeper, more resonant sound than some Tallis Scholars recordings. The top lines in the mass and two of the motets are taken by the altos and Donald Greig, a stalwart bass of the ensemble, here sings the baritone part which gives an idea of the often lower pitch. This fits the music perfectly and with the Tallis Scholars' characteristic impeccable technique and deep engagement with the music the whole thing is quite exceptionally beautiful and involving.

The recorded sound (in the lovely acoustic of Merton College Chapel, Oxford) is outstanding and the notes full, readable and interesting. This is an absolutely terrific disc all round and on a par with their Browne, de Rore and Victoria recordings which are among my most treasured discs. Recommended in the warmest possible terms.
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HASH(0x8f1934a4) étoiles sur 5 By Jove, you CAN teach an old dog new tricks! 27 novembre 2012
Par Gio - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
Founded in 1973, The Tallis Scholars are both the Big Dog and the Old Dog among Early Music vocal ensembles. The members of the venerable ensemble have remained constant and the ensemble's style has seemed as immutable as Stonehenge. After all, why mess with success?

Why indeed? One reason might be the urge to be better. To grow. To produce the best performance of a nearly-forty-year career. And they've done it! This is the best performance of Franco-Flemish polyphony The Tallis Scholars have ever recorded. "The Rockies may tumble, Gibraltar may crumble, they've only made of clay," but I truly thought The Tallis Scholars would never vary from their formula of using high sopranos and women altos, transposing their repertoire upwards to suit those voices, and submerging their tenors and baritones in a monochromatic monophonic "Cathedral Choir" muddle.

You'll hear the "new tricks" within the first few bars of the first track on this CD, their performance of the three-voice chanson "Dictes moy toutes voz pensées" (Tell me all your thoughts) by Loyset Compère (1445-1518). Great Scott, they're singing one-voice-per-part! And the superius is a male alto! I'd better confirm that by looking at the notes! Yes, it's true! The trio consists of Patrick Craig, Christopher Watson, and Rob Macdonald .. and they're high-flying über-HIPP!

OVPP has never played much of a role in Tallis Scholars performances, but you'll hear it again on the final track of this CD, the eight-voice motet "Nesciens Mater" by Jean Mouton (c.1459-1522), which Tallismeister Peter Phillips proclaims to be "one of the most incredible masterpieces of the era." It's taken Master Phillips a long time to recognize that only by singing such intricate polyphony one-voice-per-part can all the separate lines of "melody" etch their expressiveness in our acoustic consciousness with proper independence. The rubric for Franco-Flemish polyphony is simple to state but hard to accomplish: it should be transparent, balanced toward the lower voices, horizontal rather than vertical -- empowering Phrases rather than chords -- and immaculately free of any sense of bar lines. I have versions of this motet on several very fine CDs, but this one by The Scholars may be the finest of all, a paradigmatic performance.

Mouton's "Missa Dictes moy" is composed in four voices except for the concluding triple Agnus Dei. The second Agnus Dei is assigned to three bassos, creating a rare and original affect/effect. That effect seems to imply that the original presentation of the Mass required an ensemble of several voices per part. In fact, singing such a Mass with two voices per part must have been quite normal in Mouton's era, and that is the choice made for this performance: ATBB throughout, with two walk-on bassos added for the Agnus Dei II. The alto line is sung by countertenor Patrick Craig and veteran TS alto Caroline Trevor, but it's Craig's vocal timbre that predominates. No transposition here! The baritones Donald Grieg and Stephen Charlesworth sing with luscious dusky prominence within the ensemble, while Rob Macdonald and Tim Scott Whitely dispel forever the skepticism many listeners have felt about the existence of true bassos in the British Isles. This is a glorious mass! Replete with shifting prolations and rhythmic colorations! Lush with well-prepared dissonances! A veritable masterpiece within the genre of polyphonic masses, and Peter Phillips can justly claim to have discovered it and resurrected it from obscurity. Indeed, Phillips makes a strong case in words as well as sounds, in the notes that accompany this CD, that Jean Mouton was as grand a master as any of those illustrious Franco-Flemings, as artful even as the now-better-known Josquin.

The four Mouton motets that fill out this CD are certainly excellent pieces, slightly overshadowed by the Mass. "Salva nos Domine" and "Ave Maria" make room at the top for the reappearance of women sopranos Janet Coxwell and Amy Haworth, but the balance of vocal timbres remains strongly founded upon the lower voices, as it should be. "Chapeau" to the sopranos for not outsinging their lines! These motets are also sung two-voices-per-part, but the clarity and transparency of the polyphony is gorgeous.

Who can explain this abrupt transformation of the doggedly stodgy Tallis Scholars? Peter Phillips makes no effort to account for his new approach to polyphony in his notes. I wonder if he's been reading the reviews of his previous CDs here on amazon ...
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HASH(0x8f19324c) étoiles sur 5 A fantastic recording 16 octobre 2012
Par Sid Nuncius - Publié sur Amazon.com
The Tallis Scholars are invariably excellent (I have loved their recordings for over thirty years now), but every so often they release a disc which is truly exceptional even by their own stellar standards. This is one of them. Mouton's music is rich, distinctive and astonishingly beautiful, featuring a serenity and sweetness of tone seldom matched in Renaissance polyphony but never becomes bland or monotonous because Mouton varies his mood and effects so cleverly that there is always variety and something new to keep the ear interested and - for me, anyway - often spellbound.

The mass setting here is really excellent, with Mouton's ingenious use of Compere's chanson Dittez moy as a basis binding it together beautifully and keeping even the long movements fresh and interesting throughout. The motets are also terrific, with the amazing setting of Ave maria...virgo serena showing hints that Mouton occasionally came close to Josquin's genius in composition.

The disc ends with Mouton's only well-known work, the fabulously beautiful Nesciens mater. I already have three dearly-loved versions but this may well be my favourite. Sung one to a part, it has a spare clarity which allows it to really shine. As Dorothy L. Sayers said of Dante's Divine Comedy, it has a lasting beauty being built on noble bones and here the Tallis Scholars allow that innate beauty to shine. This is true throughout the disc, which has a deeper, more resonant sound than some Tallis Scholars recordings. The top lines in the mass and two of the motets are taken by the altos and Donald Greig, a stalwart bass of the ensemble, here sings the baritone part which gives an idea of the often lower pitch. This fits the music perfectly and with the Tallis Scholars' characteristic impeccable technique and deep engagement with the music the whole thing is quite exceptionally beautiful and involving.

The recorded sound (in the lovely acoustic of Merton College Chapel, Oxford) is outstanding and the notes full, readable and interesting. This is an absolutely terrific disc all round and on a par with their Browne, de Rore and Victoria recordings which are among my most treasured discs. Recommended in the warmest possible terms.
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HASH(0x8f19396c) étoiles sur 5 Stunning 15 mars 2013
Par W. Law - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
This is hauntingly beautiful music. As an avid rock fan of everything from The Beatles to The Ramones to U2 to Green Day, I cannot emphasize enough how much anyone who claims to love music is losing out by closing their minds to sacred choral music of the Renaissance.
And the Tallis Scholars are the single best messengers of this genre I can possibly imagine.
As someone who listened to Bach, Handel and Mozart while studying for the bar exam, and now wishes he had listened to this instead, all I can say is to those of you studying now, put aside all your other music for a while and introduce yourself to this genre. Pronto.
Your mind and soul will thank you for it....
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