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Shaun Walker
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Is the concept of the “mail-order bride” alive and well, updated for the 21st century?
That’s what journalist Shaun Walker wants to find out when he sets out on a “romance tour” with a group of western men seeking a wife in Ukraine. The men spend a week in the port city of Odessa, hoping to find true love and a Ukrainian bride to bring home.
The country has a huge dating and marriage industry, but it quickly becomes apparent that all is not what it seems. Walker uncovers scams and disappointments, wounded hearts and broken lives as he journeys to the very bottom of Odessa’s sinister marriage industry. There are many twists and turns to the tale that are as shocking as they are unexpected.
Odessa Dreams is by turns hilariously funny, poignantly tragic and deeply disturbing. It is a roller coaster journey that will leave the reader feeling uncomfortable for quite some time.

Shaun Walker is Moscow Correspondent for The Guardian, and previously for The Independent. He studied Russian History at Oxford University and has lived in Moscow for a decade.

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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Fascinant 6 mars 2014
Par victoria
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A la lumière de ce qui se passe actuellement en Ukraine, on comprend que les jeunes ukrainiennes cherchent à échapper à leur vie médiocre. Aux USA et ailleurs combien d'hommes seuls rêvent d'une âme soeur jeune et jolie ayant de préférence la moitié, voire le tiers de leur âge.
C'est là qu'intervient la société Anastasia qui exploite ces misères pour en tirer un maximum de fric.....
L'auteur, journaliste britannique parlant le russe, interviewe aussi bien les américains, pleins d'espoir et de dollars que les jeunes femmes qui leur font les poches....
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 odessa nightmares 30 mars 2014
Par Tolya
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The author - journalist reveals the bottoms of the industry of dating & marriage between ukrainien girls and foreign men. Thanks to interviews and also by bien part of one of the organized journeys meant to put in relation Ukrainian women and men for the greater part American, he draws poignant portraits of men in search of company, of broken hearts and of life conditions of women. For survival they are readyto spend hours on on-line delusional chat without necessarily the envy to goleave home, have sex or marry a complet unknown man ! The money invested by men during the simple organised soacials or on on-line chast, and harvested by the women and their so-called interpreters is incredible. This book is a fast read , well documented and very interesting.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 In one breath 13 février 2014
Par Salagaeva
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I've downloaded this book this morning and could't stop myself till it was over. It's a great read. Witty and sharp
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 I haven't read it, don't need to, I lived it. 17 février 2014
Par genericbloke - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I got married in Odessa, to an interpreter, and both she, and my now stepson moved to be with me in Europe. She talks daily to her parents via Skype. We had many Christmases this year, Western & Orthodox, a great time was had by all.

It's true what they say, that most of this is a scam, (in ways you cannot imagine) and that everyone gets paid. But the numbers work like this, 90% of men write but never visit. That is the basic business model right there. Many (working) women rely on their interpreters to be at the beck and call of the men that write. Because they're only interested in the 10% of men that visit, and they may or may not have internet access. If you were poorly paid in a bad economy, and somebody offered you money and gifts you'd take it too, right? You'd be dumb not to. Average salary is $2-300 a month. Food is cheap, clothes and kids stuff are not.

Anastasia are a very serious, (Russian) company, and they actively recruit the women, (ads are all over the city) but the "scams" are perpetrated by the women themselves. Because the fines are so steep for the local agencies that front for Anastasia, especially if they get caught faking chats, ($5k) that they would be stupid to do it. Without Anastasia they have no clients. I used Anastasia. They were nothing but straight with me.

For the 10% that do travel. yes you pay for an interpreter, but would you go to meet a strange foreign man alone? Think of them as chaperones, or employees, there to do your bidding. A lot of that can be avoided if you only look for women who can speak English, and you're not naive or overly gullible. You can just say "No" if the women ask you to go shopping, they'll lose interest soon enough. Similarly, if a woman is unwilling to sit close to you or hold hands, after a few dates, despite being "involved" then she's also not interested. This is a culture where men are still men, and women know the value of a good man. The women are not stupid, they were brought up amongst men, they know one when they see one, and will make their intentions plain enough. As a woman, if you're not married by the time you're 30 in Ukraine/Russia, you're unlikely to get married, and since all the women look good then competition for a decent man, even to be noticed, is fierce. Beauty when commonplace has no value.

Only 10% of men who visit get married, that makes your chances of success 1% overall. This is a high risk endeavour. It is also not cheap. Most of the men who succeed are men who travel alone to visit one woman, (as I did) Otherwise the women know you're "shopping" and they won't take you seriously. The tours are their own thing, a good way to get there if you're scared, a bad way to meet women. The agencies need women to show up, so those you meet are often just interested in the free night out.

The perception is that all Westerners are rich, if you play up to that you'll be taken at your word, (and may be taken for a fool) but a real man wouldn't behave that way in country. If you talk seriously to a woman, she'll talk seriously back, the women are very intelligent and very direct. They know what's in it for them, and a serious man is worth a lot to a serious woman. Ask to meet her friends and parents.

If you do your homework you will find a dissertation by a US student that claims to look at the process with a feminist eye, she looks at both Ukrainian women and Philippina women interviews many, expecting to find something sordid. What she found was that Ukrainian women were not brainwashed, or stupid, but they had no use for modern Western feminism. Not only that, such marriages have a far better success rate than the average America marriage. The Ukrainian women who are serious about this are very serious.

Do your homework, understand the risks, travel early, travel often. Good Luck.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 What Does a Man Want? 20 janvier 2014
Par takingadayoff - Publié sur Amazon.com
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This is a kindle single, advertised as 65 pages long. It's spun out from a shorter article that Moscow correspondent Shaun Walker wrote for the Independent (U.K.) newspaper last year.

It's about what used to be known as the mail order bride business. But things have changed. Now Odessa, in the Ukraine, is a center for plastic surgery and is also the source for many of the spam emails you may get inviting you to chat with Ukrainian ladies. Walker zeroes in on one large and apparently successful company there that hosts such chats and organizes tours for men to meet potential brides. He hops aboard a tour and interviews the men and the ladies (or "girls", but never "women") as well as representatives from the company, Anastasia.

The men are a more varied lot than you would imagine, and some are sympathetic, if pathetically unrealistic. Others are quite unpleasant. The women also fall into different categories. Most are there for the money, but there are a few who also seem to genuinely want to find a good husband and father for their potential children. On the face of it, the whole set up is a monumental scam, in which the men run up bills for chatting online, for talking on the phone, and for meeting the women. They have to pay an hourly fee for translators, even when the women speak English. The women string the men along for as much money as possible before they stop answering their phones or emails.

The men, if they are stupid, are willfully so, since it's painfully obvious what's going on. And yet many of them endorse the service and return for repeat trips. In a way, it's like psychics. Some people believe what the psychics tell them, and don't want to be told that psychics are frauds.

I read this single in one sitting, it was so fascinating, and then went to look at the original article online. You can borrow the book if you're an Amazon Prime member, or if you're set up on booklending dot com, you can borrow it from me. But it's only three bucks, and worth it!
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 "American women are a disgrace." 6 février 2014
Par Amelia Gremelspacher - Publié sur Amazon.com
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The author hears this refrain quite often when he joins a tour of men hoping to find Russian brides in Odessa. Odessa is described as a "perfect storm of beauty". The women walking the streets are indeed exceptionally attractive. Anastasia is a company that organizes paid introductions online, online chats charged by the minute, and pricier camera chats. Walker had wandered into the phenomenom while covering another story and finds much to disturb him.

As Walker notes, it is indeed ironic that these men come to Russia seeking old fashioned, family oriented women who will write to them for a fee and leave their own families behind forever to live abroad. While he uncovers a large underground scam among the women, he also finds the men often have less than sterling goals. What starts as a bit of sensationalist undercover writing turns into a sad commentary. It is an interesting article, and a fair minded approach to the old story of mail order dreams.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 A descent into the bridal maelstrom 23 mars 2014
Par Max Seddon - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Ever taken a moment to wonder just who exactly writes those unsolicited loveletters that clog your inbox, professing to be from impoverished Slavic beauties out for true love at the random click of a mouse? Wonder no more as intrepid reporter Shaun Walker plumbs the putrid depths of the Ukrainian bridal industry in the country's decaying south. Almost immediately he learns that the entire operation is a scam where unsuspecting foreign lotharios are fleeced out of their entire savings. All communication is tightly controlled by the brokerage, which shackles the men with red-shirted translators throughout their "dates" with women half their age who, more often than not, extract promises of a new married life in rural North Dakota - and vast sums ostensibly for electronics or relatives' medical care - before disappearing on the face of the internet. Yet the mostly elderly men who flock to the "penis Disneyland" of Ukraine seem only happy to be scammed, flinging tens of thousands of dollars at the promise of finding a willing mother and whore with whom they share literally nothing - not even a language. Walker's story is a classic modern tale of greed, deceit, and bleak Arctic horror that will make you think twice the next time you descend on a nightclub in Kherson in broad daylight on a weekday from a bus full of shameless lechers.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Wonderful 24 mars 2014
Par Anthony J Sullivan - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Format Kindle|Achat vérifié
I found this single to be amazing. It's a great little interesting read that you'll want more of when you finish. I had always figured this was the way things went. The writer is very good and this will keep you reading until the end.
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