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Teutoburg Forest AD 9: The destruction of Varus and his legions [Anglais] [Broché]

Michael McNally , Peter Dennis
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18 janvier 2011 Campaign (Livre 228)
Osprey's study of one of the  most important battles of the long-elasting Germanic Wars (113 BC - 439 AD). Arminius, a young member of the Cheruscan tribe under the Roman Empire felt that Rome could be beaten in battle and that such a victory would guarantee the freedom of the Germans as a confederation of independent tribes, led by the Cheruscans, who would - in turn - be led by him.

Throughout AD 8 and the early part of AD 9, Arminius used his position under the governor of Germania Inferior well, ostensibly promoting Rome whilst in reality welding the tribes together in an anti-Roman alliance, agreeing with his confederates that they would wait until the Roman garrison had moved to their summer quarters and then rise up against the invaders. With the arrival of September, the time soon came for the Roman troops to return to their stations along the Rhine and as they marched westwards through the almost impenetrable Teutoburg Forest, Arminius sprang his trap. In a series of running battles in the forest, Varus' army, consisting of three Roman Legions (XVII, XVIII and XIX) and several thousand auxiliaries - a total of roughly 20,000 men - was destroyed.

The consequences for Rome were enormous - the province of Germania was now virtually undefended and Gaul was open to a German invasion which although it never materialized, led a traumatized Augustus to decree that, henceforth, the Rhine would remain the demarcation line between the Roman world and the German tribes, in addition to which the destroyed legions were never re-formed or their numbers reused in the Roman Army: after AD 9, the sequence of numbers would run from I to XVI and then from XX onwards, it was as if the three legions had never existed.

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"[Michael] McNally’s informative account of the campaign is complemented by historical images of the legions, archaeological battlefield surveys and brilliant color illustrations by Peter Dennis. This 96-page paperback book is an excellent summation of a key turning point in history that has inspired legions of toy soldiers and model figures."
- Toy Soldier & Model Figure (June 2011)

Biographie de l'auteur

Michael McNally was born, raised and educated in London. Of Irish parentage (one from each side of the border) Michael has had an active interest in Irish history, and military history in particular, from boyhood. He is married with two children and lives in Germany where he works for a major insurance company.

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  • Broché: 96 pages
  • Editeur : Osprey Publishing (18 janvier 2011)
  • Collection : Campaign
  • Langue : Anglais
  • ISBN-10: 1846035813
  • ISBN-13: 978-1846035814
  • Dimensions du produit: 24,4 x 18,3 x 0,8 cm
  • Moyenne des commentaires client : 4.0 étoiles sur 5  Voir tous les commentaires (2 commentaires client)
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Par Semper Victor COMMENTATEUR DU HALL D'HONNEUR TOP 10 COMMENTATEURS
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« Teutoburg Forest AD 9 » s'attaque à l'un des plus grands désastres qu'ait connue l'armée romaine. Sur la longue durée, les défaites romaines sont si rares que l'analyse détaillée et circonstanciée de l'une d'entres elles est forcément un source de curiosité.

L'auteur, Michael McNally, s'efforce ici de nous faire comprendre l'enchaînement fatal des décisions de Varus qui ont conduit son armée, composée de trois légions, 6 cohortes auxiliaires à pied et 3 cohortes auxiliaires montées, à une totale destruction dans le piège tendu par les Chérusques, les Bructères et les Angrivares d’Arminius.

La cartographie de qualité, sur les opérations préliminaires comme sur le déroulement tactique de la bataille de la forêt de Teutobourg, nous aide à percevoir la complexité des « affaires de Germanie », avec son lot de manœuvres manquées et de trahisons.

Les illustrations de Peter Dennis et les nombreuses photos du site stimulent quant à elles notre imagination, afin de mieux nous transporter 2000 et deux années en arrière. Il faudra trente années à Rome pour se remettre de cet échec en Germanie et envisager une nouvelle entreprise de projection de ses forces, cette fois avec succès, en Bretagne.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 Très satisfait. 10 mars 2012
Par Hughes
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Avec le même niveau de qualité de la collection Campaign, fascicule très intéressant sur la défaite de Varus. Comparaison des études de Th. Mommsen et de Tony Clunn, OBE. Superbes planches de Peter Dennis. A conseiller...
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 Buy this well-written Osprey title! 8 février 2011
Par Ben Kane - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Events such as the Varian or Kalkriese disaster did not happen to the Roman Empire very often. Indeed few battles in Rome's entire 750 year history can be compared to the battle of the Teutoberg forest in AD 9. Most would agree that Hannibal's unparalleled victory at Cannae and Carrhae in 53 BC are of similar importance, but the Kalkriese disaster seems to have a special resonance even today. Perhaps it is because the battle took place in the middle of Europe, and the victors are still a recognisable nation (whereas the other victors, the Carthaginians and Parthians, are not)?

This Osprey title is a most welcome to the other texts on the subject, not least because of its excellent pictures (by Peter Dennis). In typical Osprey style, it lays out the background to the battle for Germania Magna (the lands to the east of the River Rhine) in the years previous to Kalkriese, the generals who led the opposing armies - Varus and the Cheruscan leader Arminius - the details of their armies and so on, before moving to what is known of the battle itself. Here it should be noted that the descriptions of combat events in the book are NOT historical fact - in fact almost nothing is known of what happened during the real battle. In my mind, this should have been prominently acknowledged. Last of all, it considers the aftermath - the punitive campaigns to recover lost eagles and honour, and the fact that from AD 9, Rome's policy towards Germania Magna was one of containment, rather than offense.

It doesn't mention, however, the 3rd Century AD battlefield deep inside Germania Magna that proves that Rome continued to launch attacks into the area for hundreds of years after Kalkriese (i.e. it wasn't all about containment; see relevant threads on romanarmy dot com.) Nor does it mention the fact that there is NO conclusive proof that the site at Kalkriese is THE battlefield where Varus and his men were annihilated. Many many pointers suggest that it is, but frustratingly, there is nothing concrete to prove absolutely that it is.

Interested readers would undoubtedly enjoy the Ancient Warfare special edition about the Varian Disaster. Find it at ancientwarfare dot com. In my mind, it pips this edition by a decent margin. Another volume well worth reading is Rome's Greatest Defeat: Massacre in the Teutoburg Forest.

Ben Kane, author of The Forgotten Legion.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Excellent introduction to the campaign 5 février 2011
Par lordhoot - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Teutoburg Forest AD 9 by Michael McNally proves to be quite an interesting account of how Rome's three legions and its supporting troops of 20,000 men total, was wiped out by the German tribemen. The author clearly used Tony Clunn's works as well as those from Adrian Murdock and bit from Peter Wells and tried to summarized the best he can on how one of Roman Army's greatest disasters unfolded. This book totally discredit Peter Wells' book Battle that Stopped Rome theory that the battle took only a day. The book follows the basic Osprey Campaign book series format and the key elements focus on two persons. Varus and his nemesis, Arminius and the book more or less supports the fact that the main reason for this disaster took place because of Romans' unfailing trust they had in Arminius and his Cheruscan auxiliary who led them to their destruction. Outside of Clunn and Murdock, the author took a lot of information provided by the Varusschlacht Museum at Kalkriese, Germany. Many of these information were extremely helpful when it come to describing the German ramparts that the natives used to keep the Romans pinned. It was pretty clear by the account of the book that the entire Roman high command structure suffered from the paralyzation from the neck up as the situation went from bad to worst. But from the book, it pretty clear that the professionals of the legions gave as good as they got. Exact count of the German losses will never be known but Arminius never fielded an army as large as he had in this battle again.

It is interesting that in this book, it shows the Roman legionaries wearing both chain mail (lorica hamata) and their segmented plate armor (lorica segmentata) although it has been my understanding that the latter really didn't become a standard issue for the legions until at least the mid-first century. Maybe someone can add more to this question. (Maybe the lorcia segmentata armors were dumped there later in time..by Germans due to high maintenance??)

I found the book to be pretty well researched but the narrative could be better. The maps and illustrations were very nice. I especially like the one on the cover of this book showing the Roman Centurion fending off Germans while his men tries to retreat. (It is not the cover shown here by Amazon.) There are a lot of details here but overall, this book will make an excellent introductory volume to anyone interested in getting into the subject. Of course, reading Tony Clunn's book would be a mandatory after reading this. The book doesn't stray far from the standard mantra of the battle and its description are archaeologically logical. Unlike Peter Wells' book, it does not stretch into fantasy mode. I just wish it was written with more flair but I didn't take any stars away for it.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Teutoburg Forest, AD 9, Osprey Pub. 29 octobre 2012
Par jwiz - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I have read just about all the recent studies on this battle. The Osprey Campaign Series does great job of summarizing salient points of the subject AND provides excellent maps and original illustrations. I would recommend this to anyone - new or experienced who is interested in this historically significant battle between Varus's legions and the Germanic tribes. The bibliography is very current and should provide additional resources for further study.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Payback is a Bitch! 27 juin 2011
Par Michael OConnor - Publié sur Amazon.com
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My knowledge of Roman-German battles is limited to knowing Russell Crowe and a bunch of Oxford-accented Romans beat the hell out of some German tribe way back when! However, the memory of that opening battle in GLADIATOR peaked my interest such that I scooped up a copy of Michael McNally's TEUTOBURG FOREST AD 9 to find out the true state of affairs on Rome's far-flung northern border. Reading through McNally's reconstruction of what probably happened to Publius Quinctilius Varius and his three legions was even more eye-opening and fascinating than any Hollywood movie treatment.

What is so fascinating to me about the Teutoburg saga is that the defeat of Varius' legions, which led to Rome's abandonment of any plans to turn Germania Magna into a province, was the result of one man's efforts to have his revenge! Arminius was the eldest son of a nobleman of the Cherusci tribe. When legions under Drusus crushed the tribe in 8 BC, Arminius was taken to Rome where he was held hostage to assure the Cherusci kept the peace. Thinking him properly 'Romanized,' Arminius became a citizen and joined the military. Eventually returning to Germany, he plotted to unite the various tribes of the area, then under Varius' rule. Becoming a trusted adviser to Varius, he led the Romans into a pre-arranged trap and the rest is history. Fascinating!

Given the paucity and questionable accuracy of information on Teutoburg, McNally does a good job of reconstructing 'what-happened-when.' His descriptions of the battle make for gripping reading. The photographs, maps, diagrams and especially Peter Dennis' battlefield scenes bring those long-ago events to life.

In short, TEUTOBURG FOREST AD 9 is an appealing and well-illustrated overview of a history-changing battle and a fascinating tale of one person's years-long quest for revenge. Recommended.
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3.0 étoiles sur 5 A Superpower Defeated 20 mai 2012
Par JAG 2.0 - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Broché|Achat vérifié
This title, Osprey Campaign Series #228, recounts the Battle of Teutoburg Forest between a Roman army (three legions plus auxiliaries of unknown strength) and a coalition of Germanic peoples resulting in the total destruction of the Roman force. This was one of the most bitter and humiliating defeats in Roman history. This was a battle little-known today that many would say changed not only the Roman Empire, but has far-reaching effects on the history of Europe.

Thanks to Tony Clunn, a British army officer serving in modern Germany and an amateur archeologist using a metal detector, we are fairly certain Kalkriese is the site of this long-forgotten battle since his finds and subsequent professional archeological digs in 1987.

The author of this work, Michael McNally, does a fairly good job of looking at the battle as a part of an overall campaign. The book does a decent job of looking at how Rome came to be on the west bank of the Rhine, Roman intentions toward Germania, previous military campaigns aimed at subduing the Germanic peoples as well as the movements and actions of Varus' legions in AD 9. As most Osprey titles, this book is very well illustrated with stills and color plates as well as technically excellent maps.

The book gives the reader a sense of the opposing commanders, the Roman forces, their size, composition, weapons and capabilities (but less in regards to the Germans). The accounts of this campaign by Roman writers are somewhat confusing and contradictory. One account has the Roman force destroyed in one day, another describes a running battle over three days. The author uses artistic license to create a narrative of the battle which, I think, is acceptable when the historical accounts are as sparse as they are for this battle. Intelligent and informed opinion can be used to tell a story and fill in a lot of blanks.

My first criticism is that the author chooses to accept certain accounts (which he admits are biased) over others. With the exception of the account by Paterculus (who most modern historians would admit to being biased against Varus), the authors of accounts wrote a century or two after the battle took place. The author accepts portions from each account without telling the reader why. The author seems have a pro-Roman bias and tends to paint the Germanic leader Arminius in a negative light. He seems to accept the three-day battle version for no good reason (other that it seems impossible for the mighty Romans to be wiped out in one day).

My second criticism is that the author makes little attempt to tell the reader who these Germans were, how their society functioned, how they lived, fought or thought. There is no anthropological viewpoint to put the Romans' opponents in context, understand how they could organize a military force or even why they would do so in opposition to Roman expansion. Germanic military prowess is overlooked even though a force of Germanic warriors defeated the 5th Legion under Marcus Lollius in 16 BC (capturing the legionary eagle) as well as bitterly contesting campaigns east of the Rhine by Drusus and Tiberius.

In conclusion, I would give this book three stars for the excellent illustrations, photos and military equipment/capabilities of the Roman legions as well as the generally good recounting of the campaign and the movements of Roman forces. I would suggest Peter Wells' work "The Battle That Stopped Rome" for a work on this battle which gives the reader a far better idea of the motivation/capabilities of the Germanic peoples.
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