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The vegetarian diet is praised for being sustainable and animal-friendly, but after 20 years of being vegan, Keith has a diffent take. She argues that agriculture is a relentless assault against the planet. In service to annual grains, humans have devastated prairies and forests, driven countless species extinct, altered the climate, and destroyed the topsoil--the basis of life itself. She argues that if humans are to save the planet, food must be an act of profound and abiding repair, generated from inside communities rather than imposed on them.

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  • Broché: 312 pages
  • Editeur : PM Press; Édition : 1 (1 mai 2009)
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  • ISBN-13: 978-1604860801
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It really is good to get out of clichés and have a book about nutritional issues which actually condiders the whole picture. I would recommend it to any vegetarian or meat eater.
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One of the best books ever written. Lierre Keith has written an epos on food and environment that will make your spine shiver.
Yes we are on the road to hell but not hte way you thought. It is agriculture that is bringing is there, deleting the topsoil, annihilating water resources and totally driven by .. petrol. You never hear about it but we are already dead on paper . When Oil runs out so will agriculture. The crops of grains thrive on pesticides and fertilizer derived from the oil industry. It is not that we will run out of cars but out of food and the calculations that puts Mrs Keith forward make it beyond doubt that there are 7 billion to many of us.

It would have gotten 5 stars if it had not one major flaw. Lierre Keith if you read this please get some education about big business and who runs it. Mrs Keith bashes continually the white european male throughout this book, being the scource with his machism. While in reality the white male of european descent is on the verge of extinction and he, our forefathers, had nothing to do with the exploitation of people, slavery and resources. This has been all in the hands of elite and big banking.

Lierre Keith wishes us to go back to nature nut she wants a homosexual life for herself, she wants a society of diversity of race, she is pro abortion, she wants women to be independent from evil men, alle very natural off course. O yeah and she also believes in Aids (biggest medical hoax of the century). In fact this book is an conondrum. It was one of my biggest eyeopeners of the last years while at the same the auhtor is so stuck in political correctness and promoting her judeo marxist ideas on society that I hope she will continu to evolve and see the ligth.
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Disappointing 30 mai 2010
Par A. Perri - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
I want to be clear about a few things:

1) I am a female.
2) I give the idea of this book 5 stars, but its execution 1.
3) I have been a radical vegan, a rabid meat-eater and everything in between (currently in the in-between)
4) I am working on an archaeological PhD on hunter-gatherer diets, subsistence, hunting and transition to agriculture.

I picked this book up after reading Jonathan Safran Foer's "Eating Animals". I thought it would be interesting to read a different perspective on the vegetarian debate. I found Safran Foer's book to be much more geared towards the inhumane practices of meat while Keith's book is geared more towards diet/health.

I admit that it took a very long time for me to get through this book, for several reasons. I purchased this book hoping to get something out of it. I am not an upset vegan who wants to hate it and I am not someone who bought it knowing Id love it. I was just neutral. There were two main reasons for my disappointment with the book. One minor, one major. First, I found the second agendas (specifically the radical feminism) distracting and unnecessary. I have nothing against the feminist agenda, but this wasnt the place to put it. Second, I found the book absolutely riddled with bad information, faulty facts and just plain lazy research (if you can call it 'research'). As someone who intensively researches these issues on a daily basis, I found myself underlining items on nearly every page that I knew were just plain untrue or were 'cherry-picked' facts slanted to give a certain perception. This is such a disappointment as a really great case could be made for the author's view if she had only put the real work into researching the book properly. Once you lose the reader's trust that you are providing factual information what do you have? Ill provide examples:

1) pg. 140: The author states that "Carbon-13 is a stable isotope present in two places: grasses and the bodies of animals that eat grasses". She goes on to suggest that since there is no evidence of grass "scratch marks" on the human teeth found, that they must have been eating animals. There are many flaws in this thought process. First, I cant even begin to explain the preservation and degradation issues present in examining three million year old teeth for 'scratch marks'. Second, carbon-13 is an isotope found in ALL terrestrial and marine plants, not just grass. Finding high levels of C3 or C4 (which are what carbon-13 breaks down into) in human teeth only means that that human was eating large amounts of SOME plant, seed, nut, etc. (not JUST grass) or the animal that ate those. It is not as simple as GRASS OR COW.

2) pg. 142: The author states that there are no bacteria in the human stomach. This is simply untrue. In 2005 Barry Marshall and Robin Warren won a Nobel Prize in Medicine for discovering a stomach bacteria that causes gastritis and ulcer disease. There are currently over 130 known stomach bacteria.

3) pg. 146: The author states a "rumor" authored by RB Lee about hunter-gatherers getting 65% of their calories from plants and 35% from meat. She states that this "simply isnt true". First, this rumor-spreader is one of the most well-respected anthropological/archaeological researchers in hunter-gatherer studies who edited what is considered THE tome on hunter-gatherer theory, 'Man the Hunter'. He isnt some random hack. Second, saying those numbers 'simply arent true' is simply not true. Hunter-gatherers did and do inhabit a huge range of environments and likewise their diets cover a wide range. Some do follow the 65/35% number. Some eat much more meat. Some eat much less.

These are only three examples from a span of six pages. This pattern continues throughout the entire book. Fact is the authors 'facts' just arent believable (which, again, is a shame because a factual book on this topic could be powerful). She writes as if the anthropological and archaeological evidence she quotes is written in stone, when in fact many of these topics are constantly under revision or not well understood yet. Most importantly, I just believe that writing a book and promoting it as a factual, scientific account of a subject when it is not is doing a great disservice to your (mostly) unknowing readers. If you are not willing to put in the real research effort, write a book that is touted as a personal account and nothing more. Selling flubbed facts to people who are truly searching for answers, inspiration or (insert what you are looking for here) is just bad journalism.

Ill end this review with some facts and encourage any readers (whether you liked the book, hated the book or havent read the book) to always question whether what you are reading is true and to do some research of your own.

The author cites 207 references in this book.
62 of those references are websites (~30%)
18 are newspapers and magazines (~7%)
32 are journals (~15%)
95 are other books (~46%)

First of all, think about that. 30% of the references in this book come from website information. Five of those 62 website references were Wikipedia. Wikipedia! One was Google Answers. I wont let my freshmen students use Wikipedia as a reference in their papers, why would it be acceptable for a book? Like websites, newspaper and magazine information needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Of the 32 journals less than half come from well known, peer-reviewed sources. The remaining 46% are books, which can truly say anything the author cares to print (as this one does) and only show that the author is getting her information from another source (and another opinion) aside from the primary one. The point of this is to make clear that this is a book that is sold as (and which many positive reviews hype as) providing scientific, factual, intellectual knowledge on the vegetarian/diet/health debate. In reality less than 8% of the book is coming from peer-reviewed, fact-checked sources which can provide unbiased, neutral information.

If anything I hope this review encourages people to get away from the bias on either side, find factual scientific sources instead of second-third-fourth hand knowledge, check information for yourself instead of blindly believing an author, and to question published material and push for it to actually be factual if it presented as such.
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Vegan Reader Gives 3 Stars 31 janvier 2010
Par Lucas Rockwood - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
As a vegan (since 2002), I quickly learned that you can't trust the vegetarians for information as they are just as likely to skew the truth as the Beef or Dairy Boards.

So I always love to read non-veg writing, and this book was worth reading for sure. Keith has done her homework and has some very interesting insights to share. I usually burn through books in 2-3 days, but it's taken me a full week to get through this one and I've got about 25 dog-eared pages.

Here's what was interesting:

1 - The need to admit that agriculture itself is screwed up and unsustainable (whether veg based or meat based)

2 - The reality that grains are a pretty bogus basis for a diet.

3 - The bitter truth that our planet can't support us, period (veg or non-veg)

4 - The potential problems with fat soluble vitamins

(note: if you haven't read the book yet, the above might not seem that ground-breaking, but seriously, Keith uncovers some new, very compelling stuff).

Here's where it was deeply flawed:

1 - We vegans are so few in numbers, writing a book about us is so uninteresting to most, that it had to became a book about vegetarians (in most countries, they don't even have a word for vegans, btw).

But it's not a book about vegetarians, except in title.

There are loads of vegetarians, lots of them who don't give much thought to their diet, and most of whom consume copious amounts of animal products (dairy, eggs). So the Vegetarian Myth is itself a myth that most vegetarians don't subscribe to. Vegans, yes. We get attacked so often, every vegan I know has had to create a core story to explain "why" (except me... I just shrug and smile). And so it's no surprise that most vegans catch whatever pitch PETA or John Robbins is throwing their way, and hold on tight.

But vegetarians are a different group, and it's (relatively) socially acceptiable in many countries (and I travel a lot) to abstain from meat. And remember, most veggies worldwide actually live/love/worship cows and eat plenty of eggs.

They don't dream of a farm animal-less world like the author was looking for (and I too have tried to imagine in the past... not possible, of course). They dream of cows and chickens in Central Park, or a small New England farmhouse where they make their own butter... the Charlotte's Web thing where Wilbur never dies.

But in truth, most veggies don't dream about anything in relation to Vegetarianism as they've simply discovered that they feel lighter if they drink milk and skip the beef. Or they read an article about some celebrity that's a veggie, so they're trying it out. Or they want to lose weight. Or whatever other (totally valid) personal/religious reason that has little or nothing to do with HUGE issues like sustainability and long-term nutrition.

With that in mind, much of what Keith is writing about really has nothing to do with vegetarians, just vegans. And the distinction between the two group is huge. And the relevance of that latter (the vegans), is minimal. To call vegans a minority is an understatement... within 10 years, Boeing will come out with a plane that can fit all of us inside. With such a small group, a disconnected and understudied group, it's nearly impossible to come to any conclusions that are not anecdotal at best.

2 - Keith spends a lot of time dogging vegans, suggesting their low-fat, low-protein diets make them angry and aggressive. Interestingly, the vocal vegan movement in most cities is almost always run by already-angry types: the punk rockers, the straightedge youth, the outcasts etc. My theory is these kids (most of the vocal vegan community is very young) were already pissed off at life already and then they found out they could be pissed off at EVERYONE about food. Which came first, the anger or the vegan?

Keith also suggest that most vegan are clueless and don't look at the entire big, global picture. This, I'm afraid, it the gospel truth. But there are a growing minority of us who know EXACTLY what's going on - environmentally, socially, nutritionally - and we continue not because we're ignorant, but because (a) we've figured out how to eat plants in a way that makes us exceptionally healthy even without meat (it's not something you figure out intuitively by-the-way), and (b) we feel that someone needs to play this role right now in the world. You could call this ideological, but I think it's just reality. The yin to the yang...

And finally, the true narrative of the book is one of self rejection, not self discovery. Every quality in stereotypical vegans that Keith now so clearly despises - their self-righteousness, their anger, their suffering - all of those qualities are so clearly her own qualities (and probably her greatest gifts if positioned differently)... the angry vegan has become an angry omnivore... it's a little unsettling. At times, more so than the topics being discussed.

Interesting to see what Keith writes next...

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Agriculture is carnivorous 6 août 2013
Par Nadia555 - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
This book came to my attention in the most unlikely of circumstances - at a raw vegan food prep class at Jivamukti Yoga School. Fortunately, the instructor was open to good research, regardless of the source, and so this book made her resource list.

On a personal note, I'm extremely grateful 'The Vegetarian Myth' was written. It's a poetic, formidably intelligent book. This book is intensely personal, a life's work, and it is authoritative in its own right. I enjoyed and understood the mixture of anecdotal and scientific evidence. I found her references to be diverse and relevant (on completion of this book, I took the time to explore some of them and i'm not yet done). Clearly, the topic of the vegan diet is a controversial hotbed and Lierre must be commended for her insistence on finding the truth, regardless of who is alienated in the process -- this book is concerned with "adult knowledge" and "adult responsibility". Lierre contends that to understand the world, we must know it. Lierre's forays into farming, including her failed attempts at 'veganic' farming, led her to the heartbreaking, but finally undeniable, understanding that for life to be possible, someone has to die. Agriculture is anything but natural, Lierre explains here -- it is biotic cleansing -- so a vegan's hands are not 'clean'. It is instead a question of the suffering we can see and identify with (such as that of factory farmed animals), and the death we can not see but still 'benefit' from in very real and equally unjust ways. This book is not belligerent towards vegans -- it's more like a love letter to our earth. Factory farming is condemned for being the ethical and ecological nightmare that it is, but it turns out to be just the beginning.

I believe Lierre when she says 'The Vegetarian Myth' was a gruesome book to write."You are allowed to learn from my mistakes", Lierre says, before describing the "shrapnel" feeling in her spine -- the legacy of her 20 years as a vegan. This book grapples with some pretty uncomfortable subjects, such as overpopulation ("species overshoot"), fossil fuel, civilisation, and the dangers of soy, to name a few. I can't imagine a person whose understanding of food justice, and animal justice, would not be enriched by reading this book. There are vegans who want so badly to get this book out of circulation altogether that they will not even borrow it from a library, for fear that the library may order more books like it in future. The adolescent boycott of this book only hints at how powerful it is -- if it had nothing to say, vegans would not find it threatening. Take it from someone who actually took the time to read the book: it will inform my activism and my food choices from here onward. It is also unrelentingly well-written (I must get my hands on Lierre's fiction books). I could not appreciate this book more -- I hope Lierre knows that, at the very least, a few of us have got the message.
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A few caveats 22 août 2009
Par Joan Howe - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
I'm not going to summarize the book. That's been done well in earlier reviews. This is just a description of some of my issues with the book.

The author interweaves her deepening political and environmental understanding - looking at the whole picture and realizing that pretty much everything in the supermarket, not just the meat, is produced by methods that make the world a crueler, more polluted and, worst of all, less sustainable place, and that to avoid contributing to the problem calls for much more radical solutions than merely leaving the animal products out of your diet - with her own story of worsening health on a vegan diet followed by recovery when she began to eat meat again. This is where my first caveat comes up: she implies, without coming right out and saying, that her vegan diet was also a low-fat diet. I have also been vegan for long periods of my life (although never the decades that she logged) and it was only during the last one, from 2004-2006, that I experienced the slight beginnings of the back problems she describes. No coincidence: that was the one where I went low-fat as well as vegan and actually lost my ability to digest fat. Fortunately I got an accurate diagnosis promptly, got nutritional therapy to regain my ability to digest fat, and lost the back pain within a year. In the latter half of her Nutritional Vegetarianism chapter, she devotes several pages to challenging the demonization of dietary fat by the mainstream medical community. Nevertheless, she continues to attribute her health problems mainly to lack of meat rather than lack of fat.

With my newfound understanding of the necessity of dietary fat, and in the context of my ongoing involvement with the radical food movement, I realized that if you want to be healthy and live in a temperate climate you can either be a locavore or a vegan but not both because temperate-climate plant foods just aren't fatty enough. Lierre Keith has chosen to stay in Massachusetts. Therefore this woman, so tenderhearted that she went through an extended moral agony over whether and how to kill the slugs that were eating her garden to the ground, now looks for what the radical diet community calls the happy meat, sustainably and humanely raised, not part of the factory farm system. In arguing for this choice, she digs deep into several technical subjects: ecology (with a particular emphasis on species extinction and habitat destruction for croplands), evolutionary biology, nutrition, anthropology, geology. I find her sources and her use of them pretty solid except for the last one. She really does seem to think that petroleum is dead dinosaurs and she considers genuinely possible that bogus theory that "[i]f all the methane is released from the melted permafrost...the planet [will be] hotter than Venus [and] there won't even be bacteria left; yes we can kill the planet." I wish someone had told her that there have been a few periods in the history of the Earth when all the permafrost was melted and the methane presumably released from it and there were enough bacteria to leave traces in the fossil record, not to mention descendants including ourselves. On the other hand, she seems to know the anthropological record pretty well and is admirably free of Noble Savage fantasizing. She acknowledges that a number of sustainable traditional societies are nevertheless, by our standards, profoundly unjust, particularly to women. If you idolize the Australian Aborigines and want to continue doing so, don't read this book.

As the book goes along she begins to weave in her other concerns, the ones on which her career as a writer is based: radical feminism, racial equality, the peace and justice movement. She also introduces, without actually naming it, the Peak Oil hypothesis: that we really are facing societal collapse on account of declining petroleum production within fifty years, and it's time now, while we still have the resources, to start preserving what we can of our culture and our values.
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A beautiful synthesis of research and experience (+ more book recs) 8 février 2013
Par Oregon Farm Mama - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Broché
I devoured this book. I was hungry for it. It was so wonderful to read another writer beautiful synthesize years worth of reflections, experiences and research that so closely mirrored my own journey.

Today, my husband and I are organic farmers entering our eighth growing season. Our farm is diverse, and animals are increasingly becoming an integral part of the farm and our diet. But, years ago, we were young urban folks who wanted to "do right" with how we ate, and at the time conventional liberal wisdom said that eating limited animal products was the way to save the world, be good people, and be healthy. So, we ate a lot of beans and rice with tofu/tempeh for protein. We weren't strict vegans or vegetarians by any means, even though we intellectually thought that would be "best." Perhaps something in our unconscious kept us from going there, so we consumed occasional dairy and eggs and ate meat when served to us. Later, I even managed the kitchen at a retreat center where we served vegetarian meals. I think the best way to describe our stance on eating animal products: we thought they were not necessary. Yummy, perhaps, but not absolutely necessary.

Since then, our thoughts have changed a lot. We have had many parallel experiences to Lierre Keith's. Once we began farming (in 2004), we started understanding that the world is a whole lot more complex than we thought. We learned more about farm policy, nutrition, topsoil, erosion, sustainability ...... we started purposefully adding more meat to our diet in recent years, and just last year added animals to our farm. All of these were very intentional, thought out decisions that have been highly positive for our farm and for our bodies. Now, in retrospect, I find myself so frustrated with the vegetarian "conventional wisdom" of my early adult years. Even among omnivores today, it seems that these myths hold strong -- we can feed the world sustainably on grain, for example. Or, that it's healthier to avoid animal fats.

These persistent widely held assumptions/beliefs had me so frustrated that I had been scheming to write an essay called "meat myths." And then a friend recommended this book to me, and I found that someone had already written these thoughts out -- in longer, more thorough and beautiful form than I'm sure I could have done. I nodded while reading almost every page -- the anecdotes and the research all rang so true. You might say that I was fertile ground to agree with what Lierre Keith had to say.

I also enjoyed her writing style and the way she organized the book into three main chapters.

So, why four stars rather than five?

* I struggled with the final chapter "To Save The World." The rest of the book was so specific and concrete that this chapter really threw me off. While I think I agree with her that the common notion of individual change is a bit idealistic and unrealistic, I also wasn't sure I was ready to buy into a revolution of sorts (if that is even what she was saying -- it felt vague). Still pondering this one.

* The tone is potentially problematic and possibly offensive to some readers. Personally, I really enjoyed it. I loved how she could be so reverent and beautiful when writing about the sacred circles of life and death and yet hilariously irreverent on other topics (such as throwing in a Voldemort reference when talking about food corporations). But, if her goal is really truly to nudge vegetarians away from their existing beliefs, I'm not sure that every vegetarian will even be able to finish the book without getting angry. Who knows?

* She relies heavily on secondary sources from the lay press. I have read many of the same books and respect them as quality sources since those authors relied heavily on lots of primary research. To me, I read The Vegetarian Myth as part manifesto and part personal memoir. I read the research bits as: "These are things I read that changed my mind. I'm going to synthesize lots of them for you." In that way, it was very effective, because not every reader will have the time or energy to read all of these books. She covers SOOOOO much ground in this book (morals, politics, nutrition!). However, given how contentious this topic is, the lack of primary resources sets her up for swift debunking and dismissal by critics. There's no question that ANY writer addressing meat eating in this way will be a target, and I wish that Lierre Keith and/or her editor/publisher could have shored up the book just a tad more in this way. In the end, any book questioning vegetarianism will be critiqued, so perhaps there is no book "strong" enough to resist those critiques. And, ultimately, this is not a scholarly work -- it's an exploration of a topic. It's a subtle difference, but an important one when understanding the purpose of the book.

If anyone is interested in reading more on the topics she addresses, I recommend these books (which were not included in Keith's bibliography):

On the viability of grass farming -- All Flesh Is Grass: Pleasures & Promises Of Pasture Farming

On politics and farming (and why we shouldn't try to "feed the world") -- the classic The Unsettling of America: Culture & Agriculture
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