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The Wheel of Time, Tome 3 : The dragon reborn [Anglais] [Poche]

Robert Jordan
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  • Poche: 704 pages
  • Editeur : Orbit; Édition : New Ed (10 décembre 1992)
  • Collection : The Wheel of Time
  • Langue : Français
  • ISBN-10: 1857230655
  • ISBN-13: 978-1857230659
  • Dimensions du produit: 11 x 18 cm
  • Moyenne des commentaires client : 4.2 étoiles sur 5  Voir tous les commentaires (4 commentaires client)
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Robert Jordan (de son vrai nom James Oliver Rigney) est né en 1948 à Charleston en Caroline du Sud. A l'âge de cinq ans, il lisait déjà Jules Verne et Mark Twain. Diplômé de l'Ecole militaire de Caroline du Sud, la Citadelle, il a servi dans l'armée et a été envoyé au Vietnam d'où il est revenu décoré de nombreuses médailles. Curieux et hyperactif, il était amateur de chasse, de pêche, de voile mais aussi, de poker et d'échecs. Il écrivait depuis 1977 (roman historique, western et fantasy avec la série des Conan) et poursuivait son best-seller mondial, La Roue du Temps, avant d'être fauché par une maladie en 2007. Ses fans lui ont rendu hommage dans le monde entier.

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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Ca commence à être très bien 15 février 2002
Par Docteur Fox COMMENTATEUR DU HALL D'HONNEUR TOP 1000 COMMENTATEURS
Format:Poche|Achat vérifié
Après avoir lu en français l'équivalent des deux premiers tomes (ceci est le tome 3 de la saga), j'étais quelque peu déçu du ton assez post-adolescent de cette saga de fantasy.
Heureusement, là, l'histoire prend une sacré tournure épique et on commence à être rassasié.
Les personnages commencent à s'assumer, le ton est trouvé, c'est haut en couleur. Je l'ai dévoré en une semaine.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 La saga prend de l'ampleur 22 juillet 2002
Format:Poche
Ce tome est encore meilleur que les précédents. Nous assistons à un véritable tournant dans l'histoire. Rand prend enfin son destin en main, les personnages prennent de la maturité, quelques intrigues commencent à apparaître, nous découvrons enfin les Aiels (et Aviendha) tant attendus.
Juste une petite déception: la disparition de Min (qui se trouve être mon personnage préféré avec Perrin) au début du livre.
Excepté ce petit défaut (qui est nécessaire pour la suite, j'en conviens) ce livre est parfait.
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3.0 étoiles sur 5 Plus laborieux 25 mai 2013
Par Lady Lama TOP 500 COMMENTATEURS VOIX VINE
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Personnellement j'ai lu ce troisième tome avec beaucoup plus de peine que les tomes précédents. On y suit Rand à la recherche d'une épée légendaire, on y suit Moirane et Perrin à la recherche de Rand, on y suit Egwene, Elayne et Nynaeve à la recherche des artefacts magiques volés et de la Black Ajah, on y suit Matt à la recherche de l'aventure et on y suit plein d'autres choses (tellement qu'on peut facilement s'y perdre).

Il y a des points de qualité, bien sûr:
- certes le clan des "méchants" commence à être clairement identifié et commence à abattre ses cartes
- certes on rencontre des personnages secondaires sympathiques, et c'est à partir de ce tome que tous les personnages jouant un rôle crucial dans le tome 14 final sont présents
- certes il y a de l'action
- certes un moment clé de l'histoire est abordé, la proclamation de Rand comme Dragon Reborn

Cependant, énorme point noir pour moi, on ne voit quasi plus Rand dans l'histoire. Dans les tomes précédents on voyait essentiellement l'histoire de son point de vue, ici il est réduit à une quasi figure décorative (ou mythique, tout dépend du point de vue) accomplissant de loin quelques actions. J'ai perdu hélas tout empathie avec lui, ce qui est gênant quand un des points m'intéressant le plus dans l'histoire était de voir la métamorphose d'un gentil garçon fermier n'ayant rien demandé en héros légendaire.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 un fléchissement de rythme (3,5/5) en 1ère partie 30 décembre 2012
Par Atahana TOP 1000 COMMENTATEURS VOIX VINE
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Je dois avouer que la 1ère partie de ce 3e tome m'a presque donné envie d'arrêter la série. Les raisons? Les personnages principaux n'évoluent pas beaucoup, nos jeunes héros (mat, perrin et rand, egwène et nynaeve) demeurent très adolescents, ils se laissent mener par Moiraine, n'acceptent pas leur destin et sont un peu moins solidaires les uns des autres (tant de secrets...

C'est un peu le problème avec un série composée de très nombreux tomes: afin de rester crédible, les évolutions sont très progressives, on introduit aussi de nouveaux mystères alors que les premiers n'ont pas reçu de réponse. Il faudrait presque prendre des notes sur l'intrigue. J'étais un peu perdue. Je ne pense pas que tous les tomes puissent être d'une qualité équivalente.

Heureusement, la 2e partie compense amplement ces premiers chapitres décevants (à mon sens): de l'action, des héros qui prennent leur envol, la découverte des Aiel, assez fascinants et nous voilà happés à nouveau. J'aime le fait qu'il y ait des personnages secondaires sympathiques: Loial, l'Ogier, Thom le barde, Lan le guerrier. Par contre, les personnages féminins me semblent plus agaçants qu'au début: Moiraine l'Aes sedai demeure froide et autoritaire, Nynaeve caractérielle, Elayne fade...seule Faile, chasseuse de la Corne de valère, m'a plue.

Le 4e tome, en cours de lecture, confirme cette impression globale: les jeunes héros deviennent plus adultes et se prennent en main. L'intrigue est aussi plus lisible.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 The series gets back on track with the most interesting book of the first 3 14 novembre 2005
Par Craig MACKINNON - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Poche
Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is legendary in its length (11 books, so far, and still not over), so why care about what happens in lowly Book 3? Because ee have some neat plot points, the overall story arc starts to crystallise, and mainly, it is the most enjoyable read of the first three books. I was reminded of Star Wars Ep. 1 - the book has a resolution of it's main plotline, but it is obvious that there is lots more of the saga to go, especially since we know that, at the end of the book, certain baddies are still on the loose.

After bringing most of the main characters together for the climax of Book 2, Jordan cleaves the group again for separate journeys to the city of Tear. Prophesy says that only the Dragon Reborn can wield the magic sword stored in the vault of that city's fortress. Some have complained that it takes a series of unbearable coincidences to get everyone to the final battle, which would be a valid complaint except that Jordan's world is designed in such a way that unbelievable coincidences can (and often do) occur, because of the overriding "will" of the Wheel of Time. This is a standard literary device, well-known to the ancient Greeks (the Fates) and Arabs (Kismet). It could potentially become a crutch, but in this book Jordan convincingly brings the threads of a number of seemingly diverse storylines together. The reason everyone ends up in Tear? - they all know (or are chasing people who know) that the Dragon Reborn will show up in Tear to claim the magic sword. It's only a matter of timing (they all arrive at the final battle simultaneously) that needs invocation of the Wheel's influence.

Curiously, this book focusses on 3 characters, two of whom are my least favourite in the series (Nynaeve, the petulant bully, and Mat, the selfish prankster). Fortunately, Jordan mostly steers clear of the constant and irritating internal editorialising by these characters that so plagued Book 2. Jordan also finally reveals Mat's "special power" (of the three "Ta'vern," we already know that Perrin can speak to wolves and Rand can channel the One Power). I will not reveal it in this review, but it is an ingenious and well-designed power that (so far) is correctly limited in its scope.

Book 1 was very good, but was clearly a travelogue to get us oriented with Jordan's world. Book 2 was a 400-page story trapped in a 600 page book, becoming unbearably repititious in places. Book 3 finally lives up to the promise of the series - we are now well underway with the adventure of the reborn Dragon.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 Could be so good... 23 avril 2003
Par Ash1138 - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Relié
Seems there are two camps readers of the Wheel of Time series; those that think this is the greatest fantasy epic ever written and those that think the series is pure garbage (even though they still read 4-5 of the books). I seem to be one of the rare individuals who like the books yet still see the flaws in them. For this, the gushing fan-boys tend to rate my reviews not helpful.
Seriously, there are great elements to Jordans books but to think any of them are five star books is just fooling yourself. If you are one of those individuals who's about to click the "no - this wasn't helpful to me" button because the Wheel of Time books are some of the best books you've ever read, I urge you to read more books by better authors.
Here is what's good about the Wheel of Time: It's a huge epic fantasy of almost unparalleled scope. It's an immense sweeping saga of good versus evil that plays like soap operah in many aspects. It makes good use of fantasy cliche's such as ignorant farmers grow up to be heroes of the world and prophecies of a chosen one defeating evil. I like Wheel of Time because it is something I can get into. Robert Jordan gives you a world and characters you grow fond of without having it end after a few nights reading. Finally, Jordan's skill at writing alone keeps you turning pages. Nothing may happen, but at least it's enjoyable to read.
The bad: Way too many subplots and way too much development of irrelevent details. Many times, Jordans books seem to lose focus, and this one is no different. He tends to go off into lengthy tangents only to come to the heart of the story at the very end. The other thing (and I fault the editor for allowing this) is Jordan's use of "convenient" storytelling. I talked about this on my review of book two. It's annoying when the characters just seem to be able to do whatever they need to do whenver the script calls for it. When a character manifests some new power or ability, it should not be right when he/she needs it. That is a cheap way to tell stories, and any no-name writer would be reemed by their editor for trying to do so.
Fortunately, in The Dragon Reborn, the climactic ending doesn't make use of convenient storytelling (though other parts of the book do) and Jordan mostly succeeds in writing a book that is only a small part of the series yet works on it's own. Much of the book focuses on the three girls Nynaeve, Egwene, and Elayne and their learning to become Aes Sedai. This is all well and good, but aren't these supposed to be supporting characters? Jordan has still failed to really show a strong main character. Logic would tell you it was Rand, but he get's less screentime than anyone. Jordan's books would all be so much better if they were more focused. He spends too much time juggling way too many characters and all the events that happen with them. Of course, lovers of long fantasy epics don't seem to mind this, and since I am one, I enjoy the books.
In all, if you liked the first two books, you will like this one as well. It's better than book one yet not quite as good as book two.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 A Treasure!! 17 juillet 2002
Par Un client - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Poche
The Dragon Reborn is a book of chases. Moiraine, Lan, Perrin, Loial chase Rand; Egwene, Elayne, Nynaeve chase the Black Ajah; Mat and Thom chase the girls. Of course, they all happen to meet at the same place, which is the last time in the series that all plot threads come together at the end. Like book 2, TDR is more action oriented than the other books, with some memorable scenes, but not a lot really happens. Compared to book 4, TDR is literaly whetting our appetites for the meaty offerings to come.
One of the pleasures of TDR comes from finally meeting a few Aiel, and some pretty important ones. The girls meet Aviendha and Rhuarc, Perrin meets Gaul, and Mat nearly dances with a Maiden or two. We saw just enough of the Aiel to make us curious. Perrin also meets his falcon, Zarine Bashere, a character that tends to inspire some remarkable passionate reactions - you either love her or hate her, but either way, you have to feel a bit sorry for Perrin, who never knew what hit him.
As well, we got another glimpse of the White Tower, along with some real head-scratchers. Repeat readers will find many aspects of particular Ase Sedai behaviour questionable at best. Verin's reluctance to give Egwene Corianin Nedeal's notes on dreaming; Sheriam's curious appearance and calm demeanour after Nynaeve and Egwene discovers something strange (she exhibits quite a lot of odd behavior in this book, possibly a set up for what we find out later); and finally, the Amyrlin's mind-bogging decision to let the 3 girls go unaccompanied to Tear to hunt Black Ajah. I've turned that over in my head a million times, and I still cannot see the logic in it. I realize RJ needed them in Tear, but if these girls have great potential, why would she let them go without an escort?
PLOTTING: In TDR, we had 2 plot threads which expanded into 3, but unlike the first 2 books, RJ seemed less interested in the traditional chase journey, and focued more on the girls and Mat. All 3 threads met at the end, but not until the battle, which could have been written with a bit more clarity (How the Aiel got in there? Rand? Moiraine and Lan?)
CHARACTERIZATION: Finally, we got a book that isn't all about Rand. Instead, RJ works on expanding the characterization of Perrin, Mat, Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve. Mat and Egwene in particular receive the most attention. In Mat's case, this is a welcome development, as his character wasn't really developed much in the first 2 books, but with scenes like his quarterstaff battle and the tough slog through the Tairen mud, Mat becomes a true 3-dimensional personality - as well as the most likable.
PACING: An obvious pattern has emerged by now: slow beginning, a splitting of the plot threads, and a slow buildup to a grand finale, with a couple of false climaxes along the way to keep the reader interested. RJ would alter this pattern in future books, but it serves him well in TDR. He maintains a certain amount of suspense with confidence and ease; I quite like the timing of everyones arrival in Tear.
BEST SCENE: This one is tough. I'm going to go with Mat's remarkable 2-on-1 battle against Gawyn and Galad. Before this scene, we really didn't have any idea what Mat (and his luck) was capable of, but Mat's ability with the staff hints at the Old Blood running strong in him.
MOST POV: I think you probably could call it a fairly even split between Perrin, Mat, and Egwene, with the final nod to Mat. RJ worked hard to build up their characters, obviously in anticipation of future books.
OVERALL: TDR has many treasures between its covers to keep the reader interested, and the book is worth it just for Mat's adventures, let alone the rest of the plot. Still, it was clear that RJ had exhausted this pattern of plot threads, and was ready to try something more complex.
P.S. I'm sorry for my rambling on, and making the review so long. Hope it helps!
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 excellent, if a bit drawn out 24 juillet 2000
Par Ritesh Laud - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Poche
This is a great book, but moves somewhat slower than the first two. I read it first a couple years ago, and now I'm kind of re-reading it and am about halfway through it. Unlike the first two in the series, the focus lifts off Rand as well as giving us a somewhat clearer view of events outside the knowledge of the protagonists.
The scheming of the Forsaken becomes less muddled, although the reader is still very much in the dark as to what alliances have formed among the Forsaken. It becomes obvious for the first time that the Aiel will play a MAJOR role in Rand's destiny and he will need their help.
As far as the main characters are concerned, Rand himself is in flight practically the entire book and Jordan doesn't spend much time on him. The pacing seems a bit off; Rand should be out-distancing the rest of the companions (because they have several adventures along the way, i.e. Perrin and Faile, the wolf-man, etc.), yet Moiraine manages to end up in Tear at about the same time as Rand! Maybe I need to finish re-reading it to understand how that worked.
As usual, Jordan shows his mastery of immersing the reader in the setting. The descriptions of the Stone of Tear and the final battle within are outstanding. The conclusion is very satisfying and henceforth Rand begins a widely recognized ascendancy as the Dragon Reborn, with promises of a gripping saga ahead!
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3.0 étoiles sur 5 Many good parts but also much filler 28 juillet 2005
Par Frikle - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format:Poche
Despite the fact that the extremely famous Wheel of Time series seems to have lost some popularity with fans by the 10th book, this is a good epic (at least for the first 4 books I've read so far). Just like Tolkien allegedly created his world to explore the various invented languages, so too it seems that one of the motivations behind Jordan's creation is to suggest how mythology is born, lived and forgotten. As a result, the Wheel of Time world is centred on the idea of the revolving wheel where the succession of ages, is circular. The series contains a very well thought out universe and mythology as well as interesting characterisation and good writing. I don't really consider fantasy a favourite genre but this series has been good at least in the beginning.

This third book contains many good parts that I enjoyed - the continuation of the glimpse of the Game of the Houses and the idea of the Forsaken having infiltrated much of the kingdoms' societies, the near-impossible prophecy of Rand having to storm Tear to prove himself the Dragon Reborn and the menace of the Black Ajah finally taking toll. However, much of the book is spent in Rand-space - waiting for Rand to decide what to do, looking for Rand, Rand being tormented by everything he sees from rabbits to grass and hills etc etc. This seems to go on for a few hundred pages and the tidbits of information in the midst of all this just aren't enough to stop the mind from wandering.

These faults (which are basically the same in the next book) largely spoil what could have been a much punchier continuation of the saga.
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