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Beyond the Gap par [Turtledove, Harry]
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Count Hamnet Thyssen is a minor noble of the drowsy old Raumsdalian Empire. Its capital city, Nidaros, began as a mammoth hunters' camp at the edge of the great Glacier. But that was centuries ago, and as everyone knows, it's the nature of the great Glacier to withdraw a few feet every year. Now Nidaros is an old and many-spired city; and though they still feel the breath of the great Glacier in every winter's winds, the ice cap itself has retreated beyond the horizon.

Trasamund, a clan chief of the mammoth-herding Bizogots, the next tribe north, has come to town with strange news. A narrow gap has opened in what they'd always thought was an endless and impregnable wall of ice. The great Glacier does not go on forever--and on its other side are new lands, new animals, and possibly new people.

Ancient legend says that on the other side is the Golden Shrine, put there by the gods to guard the people of their world. Now, perhaps, the road to the legendary Golden Shrine is open. Who could resist the urge to go see?

For Count Hamnet and his several companions, the glacier has always been the boundary of the world. Now they'll be travelling beyond it into a world that's bigger than anyone knew. Adventures will surely be had...in Harry Turtledove's Beyond the Gap.

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  • Nombre de pages de l'édition imprimée : 341 pages
  • Editeur : Tor Books; Édition : 1st (20 février 2007)
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  • Langue : Anglais
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HASH(0x9aa6ef60) étoiles sur 5 Not even close to his usual standards 19 avril 2007
Par James L. Gillaspy - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
This appears to be another occurrence of an author whose work I otherwise admire and respect selling out for some quick income.

First, the writing is "talky" and often lazy with adverbs describing said, such as "... said, blandly."

Second, the novel purports to be about a "lost" late bronze or early Iron Age civilization from the end of the last ice age or perhaps from a time between the ice ages, but the dialog often has a distinctly modern tone, to the point of being anachronistic. Many physical items in the story also seemed out of their proper time.

Third, nothing much happens. They go through a gap in the glacier, they briefly encounter some bad guys and don't find what they were looking for; they come back through the glacier and report what they found; and they go north to the Glacier again. The book ends.

Through it all, we follow the emoting of a male character about his ex-wife and a new lover. This would be fitting in a Harlequin romance novel, except the character is an otherwise alpha male, not female, protagonist. Most of the internal dialog from that character is repetitive musings about his evil ex-wife.

I also agree with the other reviewer in his complaints about working magic. The book is a fantasy--nothing wrong with that--not an alternate history.

I repeatedly asked myself as I was reading, did the author bother to read this even once after he wrote the first draft, or did he just send it off to his publisher?
10 internautes sur 12 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile 
HASH(0x99b3318c) étoiles sur 5 Turtledove does better the further back he goes 26 mars 2007
Par R. Kelly Wagner - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
My general opinion of Turtledove's output is that he does better when he's doing stand-alone books than when he's into the second or later volume in a series, and he does better with further-back alternate-history turning points than he does with 19th and 20th century turning points. (Down in the Bottomlands, with a turning point about 6 million years ago, is one of his best ever.) This book bears out that general opinion. It may turn out to be the first in a new series (more about that later) but for now, it appears to be one of a kind.

The turning point for this alternate history appears to be about 12,000 years ago - when, in our world, the last ice age started to end, and the glaciers receded to above the Arctic Circle. I can't be entirely sure how far forward after that turning point we are; civilization seems to have reached a late-Middle-Ages stage, with bows and arrows as weapons, but no crossbows or firearms, and horses being ridden but no mention of stirrups. (Those who have read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" know that the invention of the stirrup may have been one of the biggest turning points in the history of warfare.) There's writing, but not everybody is literate; there are walled cities, but also nomadic tribes living at a level barely above Stone Age. The overall term for the clans of nomads is "Bizogot" and I don't know whether Turtledove intended us to assume that because this sounds a little like "Visigoth," the proto-Indo-European language that developed into the Western languages we know in our world developed in some similar manner in this fictional world. He may just have meant it to give us rough associations of "barbarians prepared to invade the empire."

As it turns out, however, the barbarians and the Empire must make common cause, due to a new danger from the other side of the glacier, because a gap has opened between east and west. Here is where the book starts to hit weaker moments: there are some logical inconsistancies posited in the lack of knowledge our protagonists have about the newly discovered others (whereas they know about people to the south of the Empire, who presumably have been able to travel further around the world unimpeded by glaciers), and the new people, who style themselves "the Rulers," are portrayed in a strictly cardboard bad-guy fashion. Also, as one previous reviewer mentioned, at this point we get competing wizards performing magic, with no attempt at scientific explanation, which for many people would take the book into the realm of fantasy and per force remove it from alternate history. However, if one is willing to allow one's suspension of disbelief to cover the wizards - there may, after all, be things we do not yet know - then this is not a sticking point. On the other hand, my own perspective on suspension of disbelief gave me a few bad moments at what seemed to me the improbable resolution of the romance between Hamnet and Liv.

The book ends in an open-ended fashion, which is why I suspect there may be a sequel planned, and I would worry about that a little, because if Turtledove were to follow his usual track record, the sequel would be almost entirely about battle plans and the development of new weapons, with very little attention given to any character development, or to any plot outside of war and more war. However, that hasn't happened yet; perhaps I'm worried for nothing. And then, there are many people who seem to LIKE those interminable war series, so you may well have something to look forward to!

Oh yes, one more thing: our protagonist and one of his companions are awful punsters. Read these puns at your own risk!
6 internautes sur 7 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile 
HASH(0x99b33054) étoiles sur 5 Alternate history; NOT! 8 mars 2007
Par David Kveragas - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
I am a longtime fan of Turtledove but this is the first of his books that I have actually given up on. If I didn't know better I'd say it wasn't even him writing it.

The premise is interesting, an alternate history of Ice Age people who find a gap has melted in the glacier that has dominated their culture for generations imemorable. A diverse group is sent through to explore what, and who, may lie beyond the gap.

Unfortunatley the story is slow to develop and the characters are boring.

The final straw, for me, was the fact that this "alternate history" features a wizard. Sorry, I will accept a lot when it comes to AH's but when magic enters the plot it's no longer AH but fantasy. If I want fantasy I will pick up a title in that genre.

It's too bad that Turtledove wasted a second of his time or ounce of his talents working on this book. His other titles, especially the true AH are superb and I was led to believe this title would follow in the same vein. It does not even come close.
6 internautes sur 7 ont trouvé ce commentaire utile 
HASH(0x9995e7c8) étoiles sur 5 A bit suprised 15 juin 2007
Par R. Ward - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
I have never read a book by Turttledove before. This one got my attention. Mr. Turttledove has a great reputation. That is what surprised me. I kept waiting for somthing to happen in this book. It seems like an account of a wandering nobel with a broken heart. All of the questions raised through the book go unanswered. All of the conflicts seem to disipate rather than resolve. There is no end to anything. There are pages of hand wringing about a lost love, all fluff, no action, again no end. The premise is great. The characters are interesting. I think an editor should have gotten hold of this and the likely next two books and made one good book. This is not a good book for someone new to Turtledove to start with. I will have a hard time picking up another one.
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HASH(0x99bdf60c) étoiles sur 5 Empires in the balance--good stuff 11 août 2007
Par booksforabuck - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: Relié
For thousands of years, the great glacier has been the central fact of life for the Raumsdalian Empire and the barbarian Bizogots living in its shadow. But now a Bizogot ruler brings word that the 'gap' no longer simply drives a wedge into the glacier, it has actually divided it in two. A way is now open to the long-forgotten and mythical north. Perhaps, the Raumsdialian emperor guesses, even the great Golden Shrine can be found. He authorizes a small party of Raumsdalians including a mage, a scholar, and a couple of fighters to head north to explore. Soon after they leave, though, they are joined by a group of soldiers and the troublesome woman once wed to Hamnet Thyssen (one of the fighters), is now married to Eyvind Torfinn (the scholar), and is having an affair with the Bizogot ruler who brought the news. Gundrid delights in making trouble and especially in tormenting Hamnet who has never gotten over her betrayal.

The journey to the north--into the land of the glacier takes the Raumsdalians a long way from home to a world where wood is virtually unknown, where crops cannot be planted, and where the nomadic life is considered normal. Fortunately for the Empire, the Bizogots have always been divided--and can be bribed to attack one another when they might otherwise threaten the Empire.

What they discover beyond the gap, though, changes everything. Because there are people living there--people who style themselves the 'rulers' and who look at the opening in the gap not as an opportunity to seek knowledge, but as a chance to conquer the rich lands of the south. And the Raumsdalian Emperor has absolutely no interest in hearing about a risk to his comfort.

Author Harry Turtledove spins a strong tale of magic, character growth, and cold. Turtledove is best known for his alternate history stories and BEYOND THE GAP, while not an alternate history, carries a lot of Turtledove's historical knowledge with the Raumsdalians standing in for the Romans, the Bizogots for the Germans, and the Rulers for the Huns.

Turtledove's fantasy stands out from much of what is being written now because it focusses on people and on the conflict between civilizations rather than the angst of particular dark elves or whatever. Not that Turtledove doesn't have his tortured characters--certainly protagonist Hamnet is tortured and equally clearly Gundrid carries demons of her own that she cannot shake. But we get the idea that the deeds of these characters carries more weight than simply their happiness or their acquisition of wealth. Civilizations stand in the balance as well as personal romance--and that's good stuff.
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