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Breville Bbm800 X L personnalisée à pain machine à pain
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I have been baking bread the old fashioned way for at least 40 years. Although the old way is still best, a bread maker is often a better alternative for me than turning on the oven and heating the entire kitchen on a summer's day.
I would like to compare the 800 to the Zojirushi BB-PAC20 (hereafter called "the Zo"). These are not the only bread machines in town, but I do have experience with both. I think people looking for a high end machine would like a comparison.
This Zo is a bit heavier. It feels more solid than the 800. The Zo sits lower and is a bit wider. The 800 can wander around while it kneads. This can be a disaster if you are not prepared for it. I found that if I use a damp rag and wipe the feet clean as well as the counter top beneath it that it will stay firmly in place. Things should be clean in the kitchen anyway, right?
My 800 worked fine right out of the box. My first two Zo's were duds. Briefly, there was a bad noise problem with two units. The third one works properly. Thanks to Amazon for helping with this.
I suppose the main question to answer is how well do these two machines bake bread? I think the Zo is the best performer. Bread from the Zo is evenly browned and well formed. The Zo has a heavier bread pan than the 800. The 800's loaf is a bit dark on the bottom when set for "medium" crust. It turns out as medium at the top and dark, but not burned, on the bottom. The Zo's two-pound loaf is of "normal" dimensions and fits my bread slicer. The 800 is a wider loaf about 5-1/2" inches wide. The Zo is a bit short of 5 inches wide. The Zo can make a tall 2-pound loaf, though, whose slices do not really fit a normal toaster. They stick out an inch in my Breville toaster. So those are a job for a toaster oven to toast.
After using the 800 a few times, I found there to be absolutely no problem with keeping the folding paddle clean. When the pan cools I fill it with warm water and a drop of detergent. A half hour later the paddle is easy to remove from the pan. (I do the same soaking routine with the Zo.) I use a brush to scrub out the paddle, rinse, and that's that. I wish the Zo had a substantial paddle like this. With care, this paddle should definitely last and not wear out around the shaft like the the Zo's paddles.I believe that if the paddle is ever put away without a thorough cleaning the dough inside the slot will harden and cause a problem. So once again, just keep it clean as you should be doing anyway.
The 800 is not a quiet machine. The pan is only held down by gravity where the Zo locks into place. While kneading the 800 emits slamming sounds. Since it only has one relatively large paddle, the dough ball tends to get slammed around. It is louder than a properly working Zo. This was disappointing since so many reviews said the machine was quiet. The Zo tends to keep the dough more in place while it kneads because it has two paddles. On the other hand, one defective Zo I had was the noisiest bread maker I'd ever heard and I returned it.
It is tricky to remove the hot pan from the 800. It has only a flimsy thin wire handle that flops from one side to the other when you try to grasp it with a pot holder. This handle is about as thick as coat hanger wire. It doesn't latch in a straight up position. It is really hard to get a pot holder or mitt onto it when it is lying down flat in a hot machine. I use tongs to assist in getting the handle up a bit so I can grab it. Even then, I always manage to burn myself. True, the lid could be left open for a long while and let the thing cool first. However, I like to remove the bread from the machine when it's done and not let it soak in the heat. The Zo has two substantial handles which make it supremely easy to remove the pan. Just rock it toward you so it unlatches and then pull it out of the machine. No drama at all.
The 800 control panel puts the Zo to shame. It is head and shoulders above the Zo. It is easy to see the settings. It works differently from the minimalist panel on the Zo, but not in a bad way. I find it easy to operate. I think it is the best feature of the 800.
The 800 has an excellent interior light. Too bad that most of the time the viewing window is obscured by condensation so that you would have to lift the lid to wipe it clear to see. That kind of limits the usefulness of the light since you've got the lid open.
The Zo pauses automatically whenever the lid is lifted and restarts automatically when the lid is closed. The 800 does not care if the lid is open. I just keeps on chugging or baking away. If you want to pause the 800 you push a button. Tie score on that one, I'd say.
The dispenser works but I don't use it. You will hear it noisily pop open near the end of the first knead cycle whether you are using it or not. The Zo has no dispenser.
The 800 emits beeps that are inaudible to me. The frequency is too high for my old ears. The Zo has lower pitched beeps that I can hear if I am in the same room with it.
The 800 has handy posts at the back to allow wrapping the power cord neatly out of the way. The Zo does not have any kind of cord management.
Both machines have delay start. The feature is nicest on the Zo where you have to do no head math at all to know when the delayed start bread will be ready. The 800 lets you set the amount of delay and it is up to you to figure out at what time your bread will be ready.
The 800 gets much too hot on the outside while baking. If you should touch it you will quickly pull your hand away in pain. Strangely, the lower 3 or 4 inches of the skirt stay cool so you can safely grasp the machine and take it to another place after baking. The top is still very hot so care is still needed. The Zo seems better insulated, keeping the heat inside. The Zo only feels hot if you touch the view window. (Trust me, it's hot!)
The Zo comes with a colorful recipe book with large type. I like it by far over the smallish monochrome book that comes with the 800. I especially like that it describes exactly what each program (Zo calls them "courses") does and spells out the length of each cycle and its steps by using a little graph for every group of recipes. Very handy. The 800 pretty much omits this type of information. It does explain the limits of the custom programs but you don't really get to know the workings of each program. The 800 has a much wider customization range than the Zo. This feature may be very important to some. I am OK with the limited variations available on the Zo.
The 800 is a nice machine but I do favor the Zo. I like the even baking of the Zo and I like the more normal size of the loaf. I like that the Zo has two paddles. I can only opine that I think it mixes better. It takes the 800 quite a while to bring the dough together while kneading. The Zo is more thorough, quiet, and faster. Overall, I see no real problem with either machine in this regard. I do think the 800 has to work a lot harder than the Zo to mix things up effectively with only one paddle and perhaps that is why it is noisier.
As I've said I have other Breville appliances. I have found their customer service to be helpful and genuinely concerned when I've laid a problem at their feet. Zo, on the other hand, has a somewhat arrogant and off-putting tone in their response to questions. Zo also seems to have terrible quality control. It took me 3 tries to get a machine that works.
You will not be disappointed if you buy the 800. The paddles are really not a problem if you care for them. I don't know why they are an obsessive target of condemnation in the reviews. It bakes good bread and it is very versatile. As I've said I happen to prefer the Zo by just a little bit. It mixes and bakes a more attractive loaf. I must caution, though, that in my experience the likelihood of getting a defective Zo are high. Be prepared for disappointment if you order one. However, Amazon will make it right if you want to return it.
How about for gift giving? Both are good choices but consider that the Zo comes with a nice booklet and an instructional DVD. If you are giving to a novice baker, this could be helpful. On the other hand, a Zo probably needs to be checked out before you give it as a gift or you may cause disappointment. It's sad that I can't say otherwise, but I had to return two already. For the least fuss, I'd say the 800 is the best bet. It looks nice and is maybe less likely to be a lemon. As always, these are just my opinions. I don't consider myself biased either way, these opinions are borne from what I have experienced.
I would rate the Zo at 3 stars. I give it only three stars because although it bakes great bread it caused me a lot of grief with poor quality. Had I not had quality problems with the Zo I would have given it a 5 star rating.
Happy bread making!
I was looking for the best bread maker on the market that would satisfy my small family's needs. I needed something that required no attention to operate (wife) and could make sweet breads like banana wallnut (son), yet was not limited to size and types of breads that it could make (self). With this in mind I narrowed it down to three bread makers - the Breville BBM800XL, the Zojirushi BB-PAC20, and the new Panasonic SD-YR2500.
All three of these machines are amazing bread makers worth anyone's consideration. The following is why I chose the Breville and why I am keeping it.
Of the three machines I've mentioned, the Breville is the only one that gives the user an option to make 4 sizes of bread loafs. The sizes are 1, 1.5, 2, and 2.5 pound loafs. In practice I've found that for my small family the 1 pound loaf is the perfect size for us. Two pounds is just entirely too much bread for us to manage, half of it ends up going to waste as stale bread because we simply can't eat that much no matter how good it is. The Zojirushi has a limitation of only making 1.5 or 2 pound loafs. The Panasonic had more size options, but does not as small as 1 pound.
My wife wanted a machine she could "set and forget" (an old Ron Popeil reference). In other words she did not want a machine that she would need to tend over to add things like nuts or raisins when a little beep prompted her to. In this case too the Zojirushi does not fit the bill as it is the only one of the three that does not have an automatic dispenser of any sort. The Breville has a fruit and nut dispenser, but the Panasonic SD-YR2500 has both a fruit and nut dispenser as well as an automatic yeast dispenser. Because of this the Panasonic is as "set and forget" as you can get with an automatic bread maker.
Where the Panasonic really fails is its limitations with baking options. Of the three machines mentioned, the Panasonic is the only machine that does not include a "Whole Wheat" selection, as well as being the only machine that lacks customization options. This lack of customization coupled with limited options (for example there is no jam option either) renders the Panasonic the least useful of the high end bread makers.
Conversely this is where the Breville shines. The Breville sports the best user interface of the three. The selection wheel is very intuitive and easy to use, plus the baking options are well described on the large LCD display. Each baking option is listed in plain English (as opposed to a numerical code you have to look up as with the other two) as well as plainly obvious icons for loaf size and crust darkness. The Breville also allows for full customization of any of the preset baking options in addition to the ability to program up to nine custom baking options.
So that's why I chose the Breville, now to what I have learned with experience......
Lots of reviews mention this one part as something to love or loathe. I, like on most subjects, fall somewhere in the middle. The collapsible paddle requires more attention than I would like, but it is not terribly difficult to manage. The first thing you want to do after removing the baked bread from the bread pan and allowing the pan to cool, is to fill the bread pan with hot water up to just past the collapsible paddle and allow it to soak for a while. This will soften any dough that is stuck within the hub and arm of the paddle and allow for easier extraction and cleaning. To clean the paddle I've found that running it under hot water while cleaning it with a soapy dishcloth does the trick. The bread pan itself is a snap to clean. Just be careful not to scratch the Teflon lining of the pan while cleaning it out (take off any jewelry).
I'm good at math, but I don't want to do it when using an appliance that has the capacity of handling it for me. The only thing that I envy about the Zojirushi is the ability to simply set the hour and minute you want your bread to be done rather than calculating the start delay. It's not as bad as I make it sound. All you have to do is push the "delayed start" button then set how many hours/minutes it is before the time you want your bread to be done. For example, if it is 7:30pm now, and you want your bread to be done at 7:00am, then set 11 hours and 30 minutes (11:30) at the "ready in" prompt. Still, the Zojirushi timer is better, set what time you want it done and forget about it (unless of course you want to add raisins or something).
Not loud, not a problem at all.
My machine is sitting atop a clean granite counter top. The weight of the machine on its rubber feet keep the machine stuck fast - the thing wont move even when I want to move it. Not sure why some others have indicated that this is a problem.
In conclusion I am very happy with this purchase. This machine above all others gives me all the baking options I need for my small family and turns out absolutely spectacular bread.
I've seen the negative review of the collapsing paddle which hasn't been an issue here. The picture I included is of the hole of the collapsing paddle. It's about 1/2" deep and 3/4" long. Depending on how you slice the bread, it effects one or two slices. I've received bread from others with much larger holes. Also, if you don't like the collapsing paddle, this machine comes with a fixed paddle as well. Enough on that.
As mentioned, I'm a novice to baking bread. I haven't dabbled in custom flour mixes. I'm strictly using bobs red mill bread mix. Every loaf comes out great just like the one in the picture. White, whole grain and cinnamon raisin, it doesn't matter. The texture is great as is the flavor. The book and the instructions are well done. I look forward to getting a 2nd bake pan to use for regular breads.
- User Interface easy to read and use
- Stainless steel modern design
- User friendly
- Detailed manual
- Top Heavy (wobbles a little)
- Short power cord
- Beeps are loud
- Top of bread doesn't get as brown as the sides do