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Can You Forgive Her? (English Edition) par [Trollope, Anthony]
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Longueur : 708 pages Langue : Anglais

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"Anthony Trollope knew more about women than any other novelist of his time" (Joanna Trollope)

"He is not a soothing writer at all, in fact he's rather subversive. Nobody gets away with anything in Trollope" (Victoria Glendinning)

"Trollope is wonderful, a major novelist, a joy... particularly admire his empathy with his characters, and the way in which he describes women...unique among male novelists, better even than Henry James, in his ability to enter the lives of women characters, and women on their own" (P.D. James)

"Pithy and pungent, almost like Jane Austen" (Amanda Craig)

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Trollope, on n'aime ou pas les livres classiques.
Seulement la littérature est nécessaire. Bien écrit, bien tourné.
J'ose à peine donner mon opinion sur ce grand auteur.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 Good edition (for the price) of a good novel. 25 décembre 2016
Par Noomin - Publié sur
Format: Format Kindle Achat vérifié
I am reviewing the EDITION primarily--as it appeared on my Kindle Voyage. I believe this was a total freebie, or else maybe a 99-cent edition. It's entirely legible, and I don't think there are errors. But here's what you need to know about the formatting:

1) I'm assuming that the text comes from an illustrated edition from which the illustrations have been stripped. Sprinkled here and there throughout the text are very short passages (maybe part of a sentence) that one will recognize from having just them. I imagine that they are captions for the absent illustrations. I found that confusing at first until I realized what was likely going on.

2) The narrative is occasionally furthered through characters' letters to other characters. On the page (or rather, screen), these are formatted with the text centered--so that they have ragged margins both right and left. This drives me nuts when I see it on web pages (and once, in an expensive textbook!) as a misguided treatment of verse. It's a little irritating to me to find the letters appearing this way in the Kindle version of the novel.

3) There are, of course, no annotations. I will have to consult a well-edited modern edition if I wish to understand the niceties of running for Parliament in the 1860s, or to understand the nuances I presume I am expected to glean about characters from the long chapter about a fox-hunt.

Bottom line about the edition: since it was free (or very cheap), I'm content.

As for the novel itself: I am no Trollopian, but here's what I know: Can You Forgive Her is the first in the Palliser series, and it is readable and at times actually quite funny while it providing a devastating picture of the condition of young women in the upper- and upper-middle classes The novel is stocked with memorable characters, above all the spirited Lady Glencora, introduced here as rebellious young wife, and the redoutable Mrs. Greenow,. Young (marriageable or married) women of the upper and upper-middle classes, the novel insists, must knuckle under to male authority, to respectability, to family pressure, to social expectation, and to biological imperatives. They must renounce their wills in almost everything, They must,\if they are members of the titled classes, produce an heir, or incur generalized disappointment. In short, they must be assimilated to the Borg--resistance is futile. The only really desirable condition for a woman is that of a rich widow, for then it is possible to do what you like and marry again for love or something like it, and assert your own will and get your own way. One goes to Trollope, I think, for an analysis of society, but not for a critique. The narrator seems quite cheerful about the state of affairs he has so meticulously anatomized.
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4.0 étoiles sur 5 An 1854 Serial. Meaning some filler but very subtle writing 21 juillet 2016
Par Phred - Publié sur
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Bottom Line First:
Anthony Trollope’s’ Can You Forgive Her, is book 1 of his 6 book Palliser series. It works as a standalone piece. Trollope walks you through several variations of what how much of 18th Century British Society is tied to and defined by money. Starting at the edges of ‘respectability’ it becomes clear how much of a person’s life depends on 500 Pounds per annum. More and a person has independence, very little less and a comfortable life is unlikely. Virtually all of his women are strong and strongly portrayed. The men are individual. Both sexes make decisions balancing their need for love against their duties to family and more so the need to have money. Initially Trollope is very doll. Eventually humor gives way to a narrative that ranges from very serious to Laurel and Hardy funny. The book is overly long but worth it. It is family friendly. Finding the younger reader with the patience for it is the only limit to my recommendation.

Starting with my only objection, Trollope will include narration obviously intended to insure stuffiest length to cover contractual requirements for the right number and length of serial installments. There is a long description of a Fox Hunt. It is a master piece of writing. From the mater of the hunt to a rider who fails to understand the philosophy of riding - characters are vivid. Some descriptions are too deep in the jargon of the hunt to mean much to a modern, city dweller but it is all exciting. It is also pointless. Later we are given pages of narration about the different living quarters of a major character and of the county side around his grandfather’s aging manor. Much of the imagery is wonderful but none of it moves the story forward. As a novel, rather than a serial, many of the 700 pages are unnecessary.

What I admire most about Can You Forgive Her is the almost scientific way Trollope takes his central theme, the degree to which money and class can direct decisions of the heart and moves through a number of variations basing them around different characters.
At the highest extreme we have the Pallisars. Lord Plantagenet Omnium – Omnium figuratively ‘lord of everything “and his wife Lady Glencora. (Pay attention to names, often fun and descriptive). Each came into their marriage extremely wealthy and with the full family support. Lady Glencora could have married for love and instead begins the book an unhappy and susceptible newlywed. He is a leading Member of Parliament and destined for the Chancellor of the Exchequer. As a Husband he begins as much less than Omnium (all that).

At another extreme we have a wealthy widow, also a merry widow for all her tears, Mrs. Greenow. She is now in the green because her much older husband died leaving her well off. Being well off, she is wooed by the comic duo of wealthy farmer Mr. Cheeseacre and his impecunious, wily friend Captain Bellfield. Through all the comedy it is clear that the widow is nobody’s fool and very capable of directing those who might woo her then picking her man for her reasons.
A major aspect of this novel is the way women learn to and already have control of their lives. Certainly none has go to work, but above the magic 500 Pound per annum work is not the issue. Instead they all have or get their ‘voice’ and in so doing get to make their own decisions.
Of the other romantic paring the one involving Alice Vavasor is the first one we meet and might be considered as most central to the plot. We are lead to believe that she is the one we are asked to forgive. Alice will spend much of the book dithering over to which of two suitors she should wed. The rest of her time in the book will be her making pronouncements in favor of the conventional as the absolute controlling factor in all her friends’ decision making. At best she reminds me of the self-important and blustery Lady Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest.

She is conventional to distraction. Including distracting to herself, her two suitors and many readers. I found myself thinking that intentionally or otherwise Trollope was using her to prove that a woman should have some ready access to drunkenness, lechery or other escape from the socially correct. She has paced a stick up where one should not be and needs to loosen up , A Lot.

More as a caution than as a spoiler. The ending can be somewhat unsettling. It looks like a clean sweep win for love and family. Nothing in the book prepares us for tragedy. Is there something else besides victory and defeat? Part of appreciating what Trollope has accomplished is to understand just how nuanced he can be.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Delightful introduction to the Pallisers... 3 mai 2014
Par NC Reader - Publié sur
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Well, reintroduction to Plantagenet, who made an appearance in "The Small House at Allington" of the Barsetshire series. I didn't think the London parliamentary politics and romantic trials and tribulations of Lady Glencora Palliser and Alice Vavasor could hold my interest as well as the rural county goings-on of landowners and clergy portrayed in Trollope's previous Barsetshire series; indeed, Alice's inexplicable (to me and pretty much all of her relations) rejection of the handsome and steadfast John Grey for the despicable George Vavasor truly tried my patience! Although I sympathized with Alice's rather lonely life (distant, uninvolved father, mother long dead), I quickly became frustrated with her gullibility about George and susceptibility to his sister Kate's manipulation and didn't know if I cared to read on - but was hooked once Glencora and Plantagenet entered the story.

Alice decides she could not be a good wife to John and is better suited temperamentally to her previous love, cousin George (definite uck factor there although I know it was common enough at the time); it helps that sister Kate is Alice's best friend and does all she can behind the scenes to maneuver Alice away from John. There was a real uck factor as well in Kate's slavish, rather creepy devotion to her brother, which certainly didn't do anything to curb his ruthless, self-centered sense of entitlement. George is introduced to us as "wild" and definitely comes across as a bad boy character, but devolves into a thuggish bully who cares only for himself and his wants, blaming everyone around him for his bad fortune and threatening anyone who dares cross his path - a real psycho, in my opinion! When he is at his worst and actually threatening Alice for money to fund his parliamentary election and she goes along with it because she is so wracked with guilt for jilting John and feels she deserves such treatment, I wanted to smack her! I loved how Trollope balanced Alice's almost masochistic guilt with Glencora's irreverent humor and spunk; as always, his clear-eyed appreciation and subtle understanding of the motives of his female characters is a joy to read.

Plantagenet and Glencora are reluctant newlyweds when we meet them; he is a rising man in politics, on target to become the next Chancellor of the Exchequer despite his youth and she is a great heiress. Glencora has been forced by her concerned relations to put aside her true love Burgo Fitzgerald, a beautifully handsome wastrel desperately in need of her fortune, and marry instead the worthy Plantagenet. They don't love each other and Glencora is desperately unhappy, even contemplating leaving her husband for her former lover; she and Alice are distantly related and renew their friendship as both women struggle to come to grips with the sad realities of their romantic choices.

Trollope also gifts us with comic relief in the form of several delightful minor characters (obnoxious Mr. Bott, the flaky Duchess of St. Bungay, snarky Mrs. Sparkes) and a love triangle between Kate's widowed Aunt Greenow and her two beaux Captain Bellfield and Mr. Cheeseacre. I was tickled by the scrapping and jostling for favor between the penniless but dashing former soldier and the blustering, greedy farmer, and dazzled by the widow's masterful handling of both men. As always I am amazed at Trollope's ability to draw us into his Victorian world of politics, society, love and money, and make clear the Byzantine rules governing it all! Highly recommended.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 TROLLOPE AT HIS BEST AND WISEST 18 juillet 2015
Par Nelson H. Wu - Publié sur
Format: Broché Achat vérifié
“Can You Forgive Her?” sees Anthony Trollope at his best and wisest as he maps the lives and loves of half-a-dozen characters, charting their yearnings, disappointments and, finally, triumphs. The story centers around Alice Vavasor and Lady Glencora, two women who search for better lives only to end up falling in love with the wrong men.

Alice “had by degrees filled herself with a vague idea that there was a something to be done; a something over and beyond or perhaps altogether beside that marrying and having two children; -- if she only knew what it was.” Glencora marries for power and position, forsaking the rake she thinks she loves. Both women end up regretting their choice of partner. One of them ends up accepting her fate.

A massive book with numerous subplots and minor characters, “Can You Forgive Her?” showcases Trollope’s ability to map scenes and choreograph his characters’ movements -- both their literal stage directions and figurative yearnings of the heart – with cinematic and psychological precision. (A crucial set-piece set during a ball that involves Glencora’s lover trying to steal her away while her husband watches is simply breathtaking in its suspense.)

The first in Trollope’s celebrated Palliser series of novels, “Can You Forgive Her?” sets the tone and establishes the central themes that run through the entire sequence. Trollope here is mostly occupied with love and politics, and the intersection between the two. Unlike his loveable Barchester books, the Palliser novels have a darker undercurrent, with a real sense of menace and some well-earned cynicism.

When one of the many men of power who appears in this book proclaims, “A desire for wealth is the source of all progress. Civilization comes from what men call greed,” it’s almost as if Trollope is writing for the 21st century.
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3.0 étoiles sur 5 Review of the free Kindle edition 12 février 2013
Par Silicon Valley Girl - Publié sur
Format: Format Kindle Achat vérifié
This review is for the free Kindle edition. The formatting is perfectly adequate and the table of contents is linked and works just fine. However, although it contains a list of illustrations, and the illustration captions are embedded in the text, the illustrations themselves are missing. There's no front- or back matter, either -- not even a date of publication.

As for the story itself -- Henry James is supposed to have quipped about the title, "Yes, and forget her too." And Alice Vavasor is certainly not the world's most dynamic heroine. In fact, her much livelier co-heroine, Lady Glencora, twice calls her a prude to her face -- and I agree. Yet I found Alice's moral dilemma -- which is, basically, whether she can or should forgive herself after jilting not one but two men -- both baffling and kind of fascinating. She's an interesting character in that she combines a very modern sense of moral agency and self-determination, as well as control of her own fortune, with an unquestioning adherence to Victorian social mores.

It's a long book, and there are stretches of it that are thoroughly put-down-able. But it's worth reading for Trollope's wonderfully memorable, well-rounded characters and often hilarious social satire. It's also fascinating for anyone struggling to understand a Victorian view of women's place in the world. For zero dollars, what have you got to lose?
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