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  • Interprète: Hans Stadlmair
  • Orchestre: Bamberger Symphoniker
  • Chef d'orchestre: Hans Stadlmair
  • Compositeur: Joseph Joachim Raff
  • CD (14 octobre 2009)
  • Nombre de disques: 9
  • Label: Tudor
  • ASIN : B002QV20VS
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Joseph Joachim Raff wurde in der Schweiz geboren und kam aus sehr bescheidenen Verhältnissen. Dass er im Laufe seines Lebens zu einem der erfolgreichsten Komponisten im Deutschsprachigen Raum wurde, hatte Raff seinem musikalischen Können, seinem starken Willen und einigen glücklichen Zufällen zu verdanken. Eine Kombination aus allen drei Eigenschaften ist die überlieferte Anekdote, dass Raff, um ein Konzert von Franz Liszt zu sehen, zu Fuß von Zürich nach Basel ging, trotz oder wegen ausverkauftem Hause einen Platz auf der Bühne bekam und den Maestro von seinen Fähigkeiten überzeugen konnte, der ihn alsbald in seine Dienste nahm. Zu Raffs Pflichten im Hause Liszt gehörte auch die Orchestrierung von dessen Werken auszuarbeiten, was die Fähigkeit des ohnehin außerordentlich begabten jungen Autodidakten Raff überaus günstig beeinflusste. Auch seine Freundschaft mit Hans von Bülow, der Raffs Musik stetig unterstützte, hat zum großen Ruhm beigetragen, den Joseph Joachim Raff bis zu seinem Lebensende genoss. Dass er jedoch weder der Neudeutschen Schule angehörte, noch das Erbe von Mendelssohn und Schumann antrat, hat wohl dazu geführt, dass sein Werk nach seinem Tode für lange Zeit in Vergessenheit geriet. Seine Sinfonien, die mit zwei Ausnahmen alle eine programmatische Überschrift haben, zeichnen sich durch die Leichtigkeit und Phantasie aus, mit der er immer wieder neue und geistreiche Methoden erfand, seine Themen zu verarbeiten. Die farbige Instrumentierkunst seiner Sinfonien wurde auch von seinen Kritikern immer wieder gerühmt. Die TUDOR-Raff-Einspielungen markieren mit den renommierten Bambergern unter Leitung des österreichischen Dirigenten und Raff-Experten Hans Stadlmair zweifellos die Spitze des derzeitigen, mittlerweile recht umfangreichen Katalogangebots Raff scher Sinfonien und sonstiger Orchesterwerke.

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"Die Bamberger Symphoniker setzen den Symphoniker Raff unter Strom: Vielleicht erhascht Joachim Raff … bei so mitreißender Spiellaune und vitaler Überzeugungsskraft, bei solch farbigem Ausdruck nun doch noch ein Zipfelchen des Nachruhms, den sogar sein Gönner Franz Liszt für möglich gehalten hat." (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung)


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Après une éducation classique, et avoir parcouru l'univers symphonique du XIXe siècle de Beethoven à Mahler, on pouvait rêver d'un univers inconnu, d’œuvres oubliées, bref d'un monde nouveau. Pour ne parler que des symphonies, quel plaisir de découvrir Ferdinand Ries, Gernsheim, Lachner, Rott, Herzogenberg, Fesca, Louise Farrenc, Niels Gade, Hamerik !

Et puis, une révélation. Le sentiment d'entendre quelque chose d'original, dans un style nouveau qui ne soit ni à la manière de Beethoven, ni de Brahms, ni de Schumann : Joseph Joachim Raff. Deux intégrales complètes sont disponibles : la première, et la plus ancienne, chez Marco Polo. La seconde, celle dont il est question, chez Tudor. Une troisième est en cours de réalisation chez Chandos.

Onze symphonies : voici un corpus non négligeable. Il est possible de les ranger en deux catégories : des symphonies classiques, dans la tradition post-beethovénienne, en 4 mouvements : ce sont les symphonies 2, 4, 6 (dans une certaine mesure) ainsi que les 4 dernières symphonies ; et des symphonies à programmes, thématiques : la 1ère, la 3e, la 5e et la 7e. Mais les 4 dernières symphonies forment un cycle programmatique en soi, celui des saisons.

Chaque symphonie mériterait un commentaire en soi. Regardons le coffret en lui-même : outre les symphonies, les suites orchestrales, des ouvertures, de petite pièces de concert. Ne manquent que les ouvertures shakespeariennes, les différents concertos (2 pour violon, 2 pour violoncelle, un pour piano). Ce coffret n'en représente pas moins une somme sans équivalent actuellement.
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Personnellement j'ai écouté avec intérêt ces oeuvres . Je n'ai pas été très intéressé.Propos lourds sans étincelle de génie ? Je ne sais que penser en fait et ,n'était le prix très raisonnable qui permet un achat éventuel, je ne conseille pas trop cet achat . D'autres compositeurs méritent d'abord l'attention peut-être.
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Ici on est en présece du'un compositeur dont on ne comprends pas pourqoi il n'est pas plus connu, car il a vécu quand même au chevet de Liszt dont il était le secrétaire.

C'est comme Reinecke et d'autres compositeurs du XIXe qui pour moi sont aussi intérresents que Brahms Schunann Rubinstein et tchakowsky.

Ces symphonies sont tres belles et l'interpretation est ici magnifique.
Domage qu'il manque les concertos dont deux très beaux pour violoncelle

Il n'en reste pas moins un coffret cinq étoiles confirmé
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 The return of a giant 25 avril 2010
Par Robert Coulter - Publié sur Amazon.com
At long last, Tudor have boxed Hans Stadlmair's cycle of Raff's symphonies. This is an important effort by Stadlmair -- at the time of Raff's passing, he was among the most oft played composers in the concert halls of the world; a recognised giant. From that point on, however, his star waned until by the 1970's he had fallen into absolute obscurity. Fortunately, since then, we have seen several important steps taken in the rehabilitation of his reputation and legacy. Firstly, there was Bernard Herrmann's recording of Raff's excellent 5th symphony with the London Philharmonic in 1970. Later came the excellent recordings of two of Raff's finest creations -- the Ode au Printemps for piano and orchestra and the piano concerto -- by Peter Aronsky with Matthias Bamert conducting; it comes on this separate Tudor release. And then, there is Stadlmair's traverse of much of Raff's orchestral output...

This 9 cd box set incorporates all of the Tudor full-price (and now very hard to get!) releases involving the symphonies (rather than list them, I'll leave it to you to use the search facility; I'm sure you'll manage!). However, the box does not contain all of Stadlmair's recordings of orchestral music by Raff -- somewhat bizarrely, it omits the Shakespeare Overtures release. Now, while I wouldn't say thats an unmitigated disaster, it is a little disappointing. I can see absolutely no reason as to why Tudor would have decided to do this. Still, you can always snap up one of the last copies of that disk separately.

And what of Raff's music? Without getting into any technical details, I would describe Raff as an optimist; his music almost always seems to have a positive feel to it, and he never fails to lighten my mood. Personally, I find him a joy to listen to. This in no way should be interpreted as me saying Raff lacks depth or an ability to write "serious" music; its simply that his personal style has a wonderful freshness and vitality to it. It is very easy to understand why he was so popular in the concert halls of his day and much harder to fathom why we so rarely see him in the concert halls of today (in fact, I have never seen a live performance of any of his works).

This really is a great release by Tudor. Raff's 11 symphonies are worthy of your attention and now having them released at a decent price is a veritable boon to those who (unlike me!) didn't search out all the original releases individually. Raff really is a lost giant. Get this box and see what we are all missing. But don't stop there either; while you're at it, you really should get hold of the Ode au Printemps disk mentioned above, as well as the truly wonderful Six morceaux for violin and piano too.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Start your Raff collection here 25 octobre 2010
Par R. Lieblich - Publié sur Amazon.com
There's no question that Raff was a gifted composer who mastered all elements of composition. Choose any movement from any of his 11 symphonies and you can hear that. If he lacked anything, it was the ability to write really powerful music. He won't knock you over the way Beethoven or Brahms or Bruckner or Mahler can. In this respect he's more like Dvorak or Schubert, or the Mendelssohn of Midsummer Night's Dream and the Octet. In fact, his scherzos, without sounding like rip-offs, bear a family resemblance to Mendelssohn's. And his dancier music (in his orchestral suites and here and there in his concertos and chamber music as well as the symphonies) is reminiscent of the spirit of Dvorak's many dance compositions, but in a more Austro-Hungarian vein. (Yes, he was Swiss, but his music seems to come from further east.)

Looking at his body of work -- 11 symphonies, at least five major concertos, four suites for orchestra, eight string quartets, five violin sonatas, etc. -- it's tempting to complain that he should have done more self-censoring. Yet in bulk it's somewhat less than Beethoven's output, and like Beethoven Raff was able to maintain a high level throughout his entire ouevre -- though not as high as Beethoven, of course.

I've also heard the entire Marco Polo series of symphonies and a couple of the CPO symphony recordings, as well as Bernard Herrmann's pioneering LP of "Lenore." Stadlmair takes the blue ribbon. He is plainly a Raff enthusiast, and he errs, if at all, in the direction of highlighting the Music's many felicities. His orchestra is steeped in Raff's idiom and has the chops to make it sound easy. If you're a romantic and you buy this set, there's no way you'll be able to avoid getting hooked on Raff. Then you can explore the many other works available on Tudor and CPO. But start here -- you have many hours of pleasure ahead of you.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 Raff is someone to discover 16 avril 2010
Par Book and Music Lover - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Who ever heard of Joseph Joachim Raff (1822 - 1882)? If you like "Romantic" symphonic music, this CD collection is a must. I don't know why Brahms, Schumann, Bruckner and other Romantics are so often performed and not Raff. These symphonies are as good as the genre gets. Included also are "overtures" and veritable tone poems, each of which is enjoyable. This is one of the best buys I have made in a while. Hightly recommended.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 A glorious find 16 juin 2010
Par Andrew F. Dolan Jr. - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Who knew that one could find a composer that you never heard of and revel in their symphonic accomplishments - all with one purchase. Raff composed only 11 symphonies, and each is a treat for the ears. No, you won't listen to all of them and be humming snatches and snippets as you would Mozart, but what you will hear is rich, complex and worthy of many return visits. Raff's last four symphonies are devoted to the seasons - one each - and he does what other composers should have done...give each season its due.

If all this isn't enough, the package also includes a number of his other works to fill out the nine CDs included in the boxed set.

Truly, this is a rare find and one worthy of anyone who enjoys classical music not often heard by the masses.
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5.0 étoiles sur 5 The Ubiquitous Raff - and his real place in music 1 juin 2015
Par Avrohom Leichtling - Publié sur Amazon.com
There are many reasons why the ubiquitous Joseph Joachim Raff disappeared off the map altogether within a generation after his death in 1882. In order to explain it one would have to go into considerable depth to discuss his work and his relation to the "great" composers of his time whose works have made up the bulk of the the "standard" repertory for well over the past 120 years. Suffice it to say that Raff, while working (generally) within certain accepted parameters, was his own man in every respect - and, being his own man, he chose NOT to follow the conventions of the middle and late romantic period. His music, therefore, does NOT fulminate, does NOT emote in any of the usual senses, etc. Rather, Raff's syntax became one of compression, not expansion - of profoundly fundamental eclecticism, not conventional "stylistic consistency." He was roundly criticized for this, and largely minimalized by his critics who were more enamored of Tchaikovsky, Wagner, Bruckner, Mahler and Strauss. Yet, his music was perhaps the most widely performed of any of his contemporaries (and herein may lie a clue to his post-mortem decline) - even in the US where he was commissioned by the orchestra that became the NY Philharmonic.

The set of recordings conducted by Hans Stadlmair, which includes 11 of Raff's 13 symphonies together with the four orchestral suites, therefore, is a critically important collection which clearly demonstrates Raff's art, subject to the caveats listed above. The fifteen works in this set demonstrate a composer of absolutely solid, impeccable technique writing at the top of his game, so to say. What may sound like Mendelssohn, for example, is an intentional ruse - Raff's sense of humor is almost always at work - and he will often mislead you into thinking you're "here" when, within a few measures or so, you wind up "there" - and then (and again and again) you're "somewhere else."

Whoever might suppose that Raff was NOT in the vanguard of musical thought has been blindsided by the conventional view of music history. Indeed, what often sounds like someone else is more than likely the other way around. Raff was, in most respects, way ahead of the curve. His idiom points way ahead of the prevailing "style" of the late romantics - and well into the 20th century. His very eclecticism would not become accepted as normative until the second half of the twentieth century. His neoclassic works were written well ahead of everyone else's efforts even though the great Bach revival got underway before the mid-19th century. His impressionism predates Debussy, his stoicism predates and predicts Sibelius. "His" Tchaikovsky predates Tchaikovsky (who was a very public supporter and admirer of Raff - even to the extent of quoting from him -i.e. the Andante cantabile movement of his own 5th Symphony having been lifted directly from Raff's 10th written years before!).

In short, you have in your hands a very important documentation of one of the 19th century's great composers, a man who was very much the equal of any of those considered to be the ne plus ultra of music of the period. The performances are first rate - there's not a clunker in the lot. Enjoy, then, and listen with your ears open. Purge yourself of the political and aesthetic garbage and claptrap that has for too long fossilized the general view of music. Once you listen CAREFULLY, you will understand just exactly how important a figure Joseph Joachim Raff was - and why his music remains alive and well.
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