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Mahler:Symphony No.9 Import

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  • CD (25 janvier 2005)
  • Nombre de disques: 1
  • Format : Import
  • Label: Mis
  • ASIN : B00076ONU0
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  1. I. Andante Comodo
  2. II. Im Tempo Eines Gemachlichen Landlers
  3. III. Rondo-Burleske
  4. IV. Adagio

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HASH(0x8d438c9c) étoiles sur 5 The Apex of Recorded Performances of Mahler's 9th! 27 septembre 2014
Par Man About London Town - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
I count myself as a Mahler fan[atic] who has been listening to performances of his symphonies and songs since the mid-1950s.. My current database indicates I have 17 recordings of the 9th, most of which are very good [I get rid of those that, in my opinion, aren't good] and some of which are great, Yet, listening to those performances does not and I believe cannot prepare you for this 1938 performance by Walter and the Vienna Philharmonic. It is, in brief, shocking in its greatness.
What accounts for so great a performance? Most probably it was due first to Walter's close association with Mahler and, second, to the fact that both Mahler and Walter were Jews who would feel the full burden of the times as the Nazi onslaught that was beginning to come into full swing. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that a certain person, namely your truly, saw the light of day for the first time at 3.a.m. on the day of the performance, even though I still personally harbor feelings about the synchronicity of the events. I often wonder, was it purely by chance that Mahler was to become my favorite composer and Walter my favorite conductor?
Walter was to perform the symphony many times after this 1938 concert and set it down in a stereo tape in his autumn years, but for a number of reasons he was not able to recapture the event on this disc. The sound of the disc, it goes without saying, is not high fidelity but the performance is. I usually place a good deal of emphasis on the quality of the sound when evaluating a recording, but when listening to this disc it's not long before I lose all consciousness of the sonic limitations.
If you love Mahler or even love music in general you need this disc.
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HASH(0x8d440150) étoiles sur 5 Despite the 1938 sonics (much improved on this 2004 remastering), a musical experience unparalleled to this day 14 novembre 2011
Par Discophage - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
One can dispute that it is always great recordings of the century that EMI has reissued in its "Great Recordings of the Century" or "Great Artists of the Century" collections, but Bruno Walter's conducting of Mahler's 9th Symphony, recorded live in Vienna on January 13, 1938, certainly is. First, because it is the premiere recording of the symphony, Mahler's penultimate (that's counting the unfinished 10th), first sketched during the summer of 1908 as the composer was working on Das Lied von der Erde, then completed in draft form in the summer of 1909. Second, because Walter has unique legitimacy in this work. He was then Mahler's favorite disciple and there were long exchanges of correspondence between them in that period, although Henry-Louis de la Grange, in his mammoth Mahler biography, doesn't record that Walter discussed the score with the composer as he did with Das Lied. Finally, Walter premiered the piece on June 26, 1912, shortly after Mahler's death, and already with the Vienna Philharmonic. I hesitate to call Walter the closest recipient of Mahler's intentions as can be and his most truthful interpreter, not only because this recording dates from more than a quarter century after the premiere and almost thirty years after the work's completion and any possible conversation Walter might have had with Mahler about it, but also because Mahler himself considered that the composer's intentions were never definitive and were only those expressed on the day of performance. So there can be no certainty that Walter's interpretation in 1938 can give an idea of the way Mahler would have conducted it, had he not died. Still, there is a direct line between Walter and Mahler, that only Mengelberg - another early champion of Mahler's cause, much appreciated by the composer - can emulate; more important still, Walter's interpretation in 1938 is unique and special enough to substantiate at least the thought that this is as close as we've ever had to the way Mahler would have done it. It is far removed from any later interpretive paradigm in this piece, especially in its adoption of brisk tempi in the outer movements that (other than the maverick Scherchen in a recording made for the Austrian radio in 1950 but that was published only in 1990, Mahler: Symphony No. 9) no subsequent version that I know has paralleled, and it is filled with a unique emotional intensity.

Certainly, amends must be made for the constricted 1938 sonics (integral with audience noises and coughs in the background), that prevent much of the enjoyment of Mahler's score, with its myriad instrumental details and indications of articulation, dynamics, playing modes. In particular, Mahler's scoring in the first movement calls for a distinct spatial separation between first and second violins and you don't hear it. The horns also are most of the time barely audible, and likewise with the woodwinds, indistinct in the tutti (but clear in the solo passages). Mahler (Mahler's compositional processes and, hence, the full enjoyment by the listener of Mahler's compositional output) is not just about overall impression, melody over a vague background of sounds: it is about the intricate interweaving of multiple strands, and all these need to be heard; it is also about the different instruments' specific timbres and character. Here, despite the major improvement brought by the 2004 remastering over the previous one from 1989, Gustav Mahler: Symphony No. 9 In D Major (Great Recordings of the Century) (with less swish noise and cracks from the 78rmp surfaces, more orchestral presence and much more impact given to the brass outbursts, but also a little more glare and harshness, and even a measure of saturation in some climaxes, such as at 19:20 in the first movement, which wasn't there in the previous remastering), it is frustrating when, in the tutti, you hear mainly violins and trumpets-trombones-tuba against a mass of indistinct sound blurred in timpani rolls (try for instance the climax at 9:48 in the first movement, "Mit Wut" - furiously). And you will never get the instrumental presence and pungency of any modern recording.

But musically, Walter's reading remains, still today, in a category of its own. Walter has a firm grasp over the first movement's complex structure, his contrasting tempos are well chosen and tempo changes organic. By today's standards his tempos are fast (compare his first movement's 24:40 to the 29:14 of his 1961 remake, to Horenstein's 29:12 in 1952 (Mahler: Symphony 9 and Kindertotenlieder / Norman Foster / Jascha Horenstein (2 CDs)), to Bernstein's 28:15 in 1965, Mahler: Symphony No. 9 (Bernstein Century) or to Levine's 29:32 in 1979, Mahler: Symphony No. 9 - and I haven't specifically looked for the longest ever) but most of the time it is not something I perceive when I listen to the recording but only something I know by looking at the clock. What I do perceive is the fiery intensity of the approach, which develops as soon as the first forte, at 2:03 (measure 29), introduced by a crashing brass chord (so much more impactful too in the remastering). Walter doesn't drag and is even pressing in passages in which modern interpretation tends to drag, as at the return of Tempo I at 6:26, measure 110, but with firm grounding in Mahler's instruction, here, not to drag ("nicht schleppen"). His subsequent "Mit Wut. Allegro Risoluto" (9:48) is indeed resolute and furious, and the ensuing "leidenschaftlich" (passionately) at 11:08 is again furiously passionate. Only in the "Schattenhaft" section ("shadowy" - what a great character indication) at 13:24 (measure 254) did I find that there could be more a sense of a stasis than Walter's brisk tempo and feeling of urgency can convey. But Walter is not just pressing urgency, and the way he has the Philharmonic phrase the opening motto first played by the second violin's is filled with the warmth so typical of him.

The Ländler-like second movement fares better sonically, with more of the intricate instrumental details coming through, and Walter captures remarkably well the music's saucy moods ("täppisch", "schwerfällig": clumsy; "flott": jaunty, lively, perky, "keck": brassy, sassy), with great instrumental character and pungency (the oboe and clarinet's "duck sounds" at 5:30 are irresistible, for instance). His held-back tempo at the start brings a feeling of good-natured bonhomie, but his brisk Tempo II at 2:53 (much brisker than Mahler's "POCO più mosso" seems to imply) is truly savage. There's no discussing an interpreter's choice of a basic tempo, since Mahler gave no metronome marks and even his character indication at the begining is opened to much freedom of interpretation: "in the tempo of a comfortable Ländler" - a Ländler is defined by the Duden dictionary (in backward English translation) as "a slow folk dance in ¾ time". Still, I find that Walter doesn't always carefully observe the relations between Mahler's three different tempos, and in particular that he doesn't distinguish enough between the very slow ("ganz langsam") Tempo III at 5:02 (measure 218) and the tempo I which returns "piu mosso subito" a few bars later (5:30): he grasped that tempo relationship better in his 1961 remake. Likewise, his "fliessend" yet a few bars later (6:25, measure 256) may not be flowing enough, and for sure, he doesn't go back "a tempo (wie zuvor/as before)" after the big ritenuto at 8:21 (measure 346). These problems derive partly from the adoption of a Tempo I that is too slow in relation to the Tempo III, and for all its character I find that the alternative offered by Barbirolli in 1964, Mahler: Symphony No. 9, and Bernstein in 1965, with a considerably brisker Tempo I, less good-natured and more exultant, allows a better realization of those tempo relationships. But those are details perceived only with score in hand, and Walter's overall picture is entirely convincing. Interestingly, when Walter re-recorded the symphony in 1961 for Columbia with the Columbia Symphony Orchestra, he didn't change anything significant to his earlier conception.

The fury of the Rondo-Burleske has rarely, if ever, been equalled (although the neglected Leopold Ludwig, in the first stereo recording of the symphony, made for Everest in 1959, came close, Symphony 9). You wonder if the Vienna Philharmonic will have any reserve left when comes the double acceleration of the coda (Mahler' whips up the already very fast movement to "più stretto", than "presto" - they do. If you are listening carefully, some instrumental details will make you jump out of your seat like the furious first attack of the strings (0:02), or the forte trombone chord at 3:07/measure 196 ending on a sf, sounding here like a herd of elephants trumpeting.

Again, by today's standards (of for that matter, by the standards established as early as the second studio recording of the piece, made by Jascha Horenstein's in 1952 for Vox, see link above), Walter's finale is very swift - it clocks at 18:04, to be compared (for instance) to himself in 1961 (21:02), to Horenstein's 25:11, to Bernstein's 22:55 in 1965 or to Levine's extreme of 29:47 in 1979 - and on the face of it you might anticipate that speed came at the expense of depth or interiority. Not at all. Certainly, in the various "sehr langsam", "molto adagio" and "sehr gehalten" (very held back) sections, there is scope for more of a sense of stasis and suspended time. But it is a tribute to Mahler's genius that the emotions stirred are NOT a function of tempo, and Walter's urgent approach again lends the finale a unique intensity. Moreover his forward-moving tempos allow him to make more sense of Mahler's various indications like "fliessend" (flowing - everything's relative of course, but what's flowing when one moves from a standstill tempo to a stalled tempo?), "drängend" ("pressing"), "straffer" ("thighter"). Walter's finale is not any kind of Buddhist accepting Abschied (farewell) to the world, it is a pained but passionate declaration of love of the world.
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HASH(0x8d4418dc) étoiles sur 5 breathtaking 6 octobre 2011
Par Lance B. Sjogren - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
This is an astounding performance of Mahler's 9th. The emotional depth of this rendition is beyond that of any of the other versions I have heard. Bruno Walter clearly had an unparalleled understanding of Mahler's music.

It is of course also eerie to listen to such a wonderful musical performance that has such historic significance. And I was pleasantly surprised at the fidelity of a recording made when audio technology was in a very primitive state of evolution.

I was amazingly lucky to snap up a copy of this that showed up for only about $10.

I have not heard Walter's other recording made at a much later date so I can't render an opinion on the contrasts between the two.

This one, however, becomes perhaps the most prized item in my CD collection.
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HASH(0x8d4418c4) étoiles sur 5 A Profound as well as Historical performance 26 mai 2010
Par Howard F. Stein - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
Bruno Walter's later (late 1950's, or early 1960's, I think) recording of Mahler's Ninth Symphony is well known. It is a profound understanding of late Mahler. I have lived with it, first in vinyl LP, and have often returned to it, since I was aa teenager. Its musical "edges" are rounded, so to speak. Its musical view is from Olympus.

The January 1938 recording with the Vienna Philharmonic is not only of "historic" value, because of the ominous circumstances in which it was performed and recorded. The performance itself is also a revelation -- or at least is to me. The recorded sound is remarkable for its time. It also does not matter (to my ears), because the performance pierces the listener despite its age. It is a far more angular, urgent, even fierce reading of Mahler than Walter's later studio recording. It is emotionally raw. I purchased the CD with the 1938 performance in May 2010, and it is one to which I know I will often return -- together with interpretations by Klemperer and Horenstein. If I had to choose between the two Wwalter recordings I would refuse to choose! Both are essential to an understanding of the inner world of Mahler and the world he evoked.
HASH(0x8d441c90) étoiles sur 5 Remarkable sound; chilling experience 1 mai 2014
Par Ricardo Mio - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
In the autumn of 1910, knowing he would not live to conduct the premier, Gustav Mahler entrusted the score of his Ninth Symphony to Bruno Walter. Some 28 years later, Walter also conducted the first recording of the work, and it remains one of the most remarkable documents of the 20th Century. With an incandescent Vienna Philharmonic under Walter’s direction, the recording was made at a concert in the Musikvereinssaal on January 16, 1938, some 56 days prior to the Anschluss. Walter, then 61, and his colleagues, some of whom had played under Mahler, give an overwhelming reading, inspired not only by the memory of the composer but by the grim situation in Austria and in Europe at that moment.

The producer was EMI’s Fred Gaisberg, who set up the recording knowing well the symphony was so rarely performed at that time. Since five rehearsals had been scheduled, there was ample time for EMI’s engineers to set up what was a live recording. Two machines were used, running in harness: while one was recording, the other was being reloaded with wax. Eight weeks later, Austria was annexed by Hitler. A number of the Vienna Philharmonic’s principals fled the country, as did Walter.

Gaisberg caught up with Walter in Paris to obtain his approval of the set’s twenty 78 rpm sides. He recalled: “So delighted was he with the results that his usually sober face brightened up considerably."

Listening to the account is like stepping back in time, and it can be a chilling experience. The sound is amazingly clean and ambient for a recording from this time. Five stars.
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