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A Church home group I am in used this book for a series of meetings. Here is the review I wrote of this book after that experience:
My response to reading the book Real Marriage by Mark and Grace Driscoll:
Prior to beginning this home group study I had never heard of Mark and Grace Driscoll. After having read the first four chapters of the book I have come to the conclusion that there is a pervasive and significant underlying belief in the doctrine of male dominance throughout the work. I personally do not believe this is an accurate representation of God's intent for the roles of men and women. The doctrine of male dominance, simply stated, is that it is God's will that women are to be ruled over, controlled by, and dominated by men - particularly their husbands - in family, Church, and civic life.
While the belief in the rectitude or correctness of male dominance has long been held by many in both secular and Church circles, I along with many Biblical scholars, theologians, and teachers disagree with this belief. Much of the history recorded in the Bible demonstrates the reality of male dominance. I believe that a proper understanding of scripture demonstrates that this is a result of sin entering into the world rather than being God's intent for mankind. The Genesis account of the fall of man clearly states that man's rule over women was part of the curse brought about by sin and not part of God's original intent for marriage or man-woman relations. Before the fall, God directed man and woman to collectively rule as equals, with neither one being appointed ruler over the other (Genesis 1:26-28). After the fall it was proclaimed as part of the curse of sin that man would rule over woman (Genesis 3:16). Jesus, however, came to redeem us from the curse (Galatians 3:13).
While Jesus' earthly ministry was in a fallen world where male dominance was the norm, He never taught that male dominance was God's will. On the contrary, Jesus often had interactions with women that demonstrated His belief that they were equal in status to men, directly going against the societal norms of the day to speak to and interact with women in a way that a typical Jewish male never would. The woman at the well, the adulterous woman, and the woman with the issue of blood are some examples of this.
While this short statement cannot possibly address all of the complexities of this issue thoroughly, I did want to offer a number of good resources to anyone who is interested that discuss this topic in great detail. In the final analysis, I personally believe that the relationship that God intends between men and women is based upon equal authority, mutual submission, and mutual respect and love.
My wife and I have been married for over 17 years at this point. We have had our share of struggles to be sure. I can say that we now have a better, more enjoyable marriage than we have ever had. Having said that, when I read of prominent Christian teachers such as Mark and Grace Driscoll teaching that the husband has the final say in every decision that is made in the family and that the wife's role is to support her husband's call subservient to and irregardless of any calling or desire to serve with the God-given abilities she may possess herself - I am grieved. I do not want that kind or marriage and I believe it is a misunderstanding of scripture to teach it as God's design.
I don't want an employee or an indentured servant as a life partner - I want a wife. I believe that a man who has learned to value, communicate well with, love sacrificially, and honor the wife God blesses him with has no need to serve as a ruler in her life. She has Jesus for that and the same Holy Spirit that God gave to her husband. It is a much happier and fulfilling marriage when both the husband and wife are able to serve one another as equals, with equal authority, valuing each other's gifts, abilities, and free will as their own without feeling the need to repress the free will of their mate out of feelings of fear, a desire to control and manipulate to get their own way or to dominate, or some other false sense of Biblical entitlement or erroneously perceived responsibility.
Paul, Women, and Wives: Marriage and Women's Ministry in the Letters of Paul by Craig S. Keener - I have read this book and find that it is an invaluable resource in gaining a correct understanding of the teachings of Paul on this subject. It is a very scholarly work and might be a bit detailed for some, delving deeply into the culture of the day and original language of the Bible.
Beyond Sex Roles: What the Bible Says about a Woman's Place in Church and Family by Gilbert Bilezikian - I am currently reading this book and have found it very enjoyable and enlightening so far, bringing excellent points to the discussion. It is less focused on dealing with the Greek and Hebrew and written in layman's terminology.
Other books that deal with this topic that I have not yet read, but have in my library:
How I Changed My Mind about Women in Leadership: Compelling Stories from Prominent Evangelicals - edited by Alan F. Johnson
Troubling Her: A Biblical Defense of Women in Ministry by Jessica Faye Carter
Why Not Women? - by Loren Cunningham, David Joel Hamilton, and Janice Rogers
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After reading Tim Challies review of Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship, and Life Together by Mark and Grace Driscoll, I wanted to see what others were saying. I went on over to Amazon and there were many mixed reviews but I couldn't find any from women. I may have simply missed it. After some thought and prayer (since Challies did not think it was appropriate for women, namely his wife) I spoke with my husband and read most of the book. I write most because I skipped the chapter devoted to men (Men and Marriage) and skimmed through chapters Disgrace and Grace and The Porn Path. I believe I read enough to give you an honest take on the book from a woman's perspective.
The Driscoll's opened up their life and marriage and gave a very clear view from the inside. There is no doubt that they are speaking from their personal experience, ministry and heart. It was vulnerable and raw and there is also no doubt it was honest. The speech wasn't calculated and religious but completely relatable. Grace confessed very humbling sin and Mark shared about his misplaced priorities and idolatry.
There were times when I felt like I was sitting across the table from them as they poured out their hearts to me. I cried, I was nervous, I was embarrassed along with them. I was also hopeful, excited and thankful that God restored their marriage. I am sure they are a gift to their church and to their friends. I am confident that God will use their story to help many struggling marriages. Their openness and honesty is what is good about the book. They are real people trying to fight the fight of faith together, and it's hard.
Grace Driscoll shared great tips and advice on how to respect husbands in Chapter 4. I specifically enjoyed her writing on encouragement. At one point she wrote, "A wife is the most powerful person in her husband's life.." I whole-heartedly agree. I am an encourager and if I'm not first and foremost encouraging my husband, my priorities and potentially my motives may be misplaced. I was specifically struck by the part about lecturing. I can fall into lecture mode if I don't see something I like. This isn't respectful to my husband and I thank Grace Driscoll for addressing these issues. It's always good to be reminded of ways to grow in respect to my husband!
I agreed with Challies that there didn't seem to be a clear gospel message. I felt like this was more like a memoir/"how to" book rather than a theologically based book on marriage. There were plenty of biblical references, mostly from Song of Songs, but I just didn't get the sense that God was the power we'd draw from because of Jesus' work on the Cross for change. I could see men and women striving to this level of intimacy without the grace of God. It at times seemed like, "here's what you need to do if you want a good marriage; now do it." That may not be how Driscoll intended it to come out, but that is how I interpreted it.
Real Marriage also made me more concerned for pastors who are not governed by other pastors or the church, who do not have a team, or who are not a part of a formal organization. Maybe this should go under the "good" category above because it has led me to pray for pastors. Do many pastors give their lives away to their ministries at any and all costs? Are congregants life suckers, sucking the life out of pastors and preachers? Do young pastors need more checks and balances? I just felt an overwhelming concern for pastors everywhere. What horrible pressures they place on themselves, at least Driscoll did. By the grace of God, he shares how God helped him to realize this and make changes. It took a decade of giving, sacrificing his family, and being absolutely miserable.
The book could just as easily been named Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex . I'm concerned that much of the book may put unnecessary pressure on couples to perform acts that they just aren't comfortable with as a way to die to themselves. Driscoll notes that "the biblical pattern of for Christian marriage is free and frequent sex." The problem is his interpretation of "free". From a women's perspective, his interpretation could led to women being abused and men being tempted.
Driscoll goes into specific detail on what can and cannot not be done in the marriage bed. In Chapter 10, "Can We______?" Driscoll lists do's and don'ts and most of everything listed he argues is acceptable to some degree or another. What the Driscoll's do in their private homes is completely their business. I am not condemning them. What I didn't see were clear biblical references or guidance in these areas. Many of the questions and answers seemed worldly. He gave statistics (lots of them) about each topic, statistics for example of how many people and what age group was performing oral sex. What significance does this have for the Christian? Why do we need to know how many people were doing it? Was it merely to prove the importance of the question or shall I say the relevance of it? I kept thinking of this scripture as I read: "Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world," (James 1:27 ESV).
At one point Driscoll explains that cosmetic surgery is not only permissible but can be helpful. Helpful because you have had an accident and are disfigured?; Helpful because you have a birth mark or have some circumstance that makes it uncomfortable to be the way you are? No, Driscoll shares, "There are many reasons cosmetic surgery may be beneficial. It can make us more attractive to our spouses. And if our appearance is improved, we feel more comfortable being seen naked by our spouses, which can increase our freedom in lovemaking," (Chapter 10: "Can We___?"). I respectfully disagree. Where do we see this in scripture? Scripture says: "For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well," (Psalm 139:13-14 ESV). I imagine that even the women who made the Dove commercial would be confused and concerned by Driscoll's logic here.
My biggest concern is for women whose husbands may read this and may try to apply the teaching without the full consent of their wife. I'm afraid a man could read this and become: 1)discontent in their marriage: "Why won't my wife do xyz?" "My wife is selfish because she won't, fill in the blank?"; 2) place unnecessary pressures on their wife; 3) be tempted to find someone who will perform these acts. Driscoll in no way at all would want his book to have this affect but as I read it, from a woman's perspective I could very easily see a weak man succumbing to these temptations. I say weak meaning weak in faith, weak possibly because he is already in a struggling marriage or weak because he is a new Christian.
Another concern is that women could simply be condemned. The book asks for us to be vulnerable, open to things, respectful of our husband's wishes and active in every way. I believe wholeheartedly that sex in the confines of marriage is a wonderful, beautiful, exciting and invigorating gift from the Lord! I'm so glad God made us this way! But, I think that when we add tasks that are extra biblical it can be dangerous. And for the woman who is conservative but still satisfying her husband this book could be condemning. I imagine the questions: "Am I good enough for my husband?" and "Am I selfish because I won't do xyz though I hate the idea of it but my husband really wants to?"
Scripture commands husbands to: "Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love," (Proverbs 5:18-19 ESV). It doesn't say, "Let her breasts fill you unless she has had babies and they are no longer the breasts of her youth." As a matter of fact, God doesn't speak too much of what is in the book, which is another reason why I am cautious about applying what I've read.
The Driscoll's story is powerful, sad at times, and a testimony of the power of the gospel and work of the Spirit. Mark's leadership in pursuing change is to be commended. But, I am not convinced that their method needs to be applied to every marriage, every situation. Challies wasn't excited about the idea of his wife reading the book, I'm not sure I want my husband or my husband's friends to. I'm afraid it could plant questions or ideas that may not have been there before. I also think, many of it, is just unnecessary for a loving, intimate, long marriage and friendship.