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Schumann : Concerto pour piano / Beethoven : Concerto pour piano n° 5 'L'Empereur' SACD Hybride, Super Audio CD, Import

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  • Interprète: Chicago Symphony Orchestra
  • Orchestre: Van Cliburn
  • Chef d'orchestre: Fritz Reiner
  • Compositeur: Ludwig Van Beethoven, Robert Schumann
  • CD (3 septembre 2007)
  • : Requires SACD-compatible hardware
  • Nombre de disques: 1
  • Format : SACD Hybride, Super Audio CD, Import
  • Label: RCA Living Stereo
  • ASIN : B000QEIM8M
  • Autres versions : CD
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  1. Allegro affettuoso - Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner, Van Cliburn
  2. Intermezzo: andantino grazioso - Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner, Van Cliburn
  3. Allegro vivace - Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner, Van Cliburn
  4. Allegro - Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner, Van Cliburn
  5. Adagio un poco mosso - Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner, Van Cliburn
  6. Rondo: allegro - Chicago Symphony Orchestra, Fritz Reiner, Van Cliburn
  7. Allegro affettuoso
  8. Intermezzo: andantino grazioso
  9. Allegro vivace
  10. Allegro
  11. Adagio un poco mosso
  12. Rondo: allegro
  13. Allegro affettuoso
  14. Intermezzo: andantino grazioso
  15. Allegro vivace
  16. Allegro
  17. Adagio un poco mosso
  18. Rondo: allegro


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Par Mélomaniac 1ER COMMENTATEUR DU HALL D'HONNEURTOP 50 COMMENTATEURS le 9 octobre 2007
Format: CD Achat vérifié
Voilà deux concertos parmi les plus dissemblables du répertoire romantique : celui de Schumann, tendre et poète, et le cinquième de Beethoven, altier et conquérant.

Voilà deux artistes que peu de points communs unissent : un jeune pianiste américain encore en sa première laine (quoique lauréat triomphant du Concours Tchaïkovski quelques mois auparavant), confronté au chef hongrois qui avait déjà "croqué" bien des solistes moins innocents.

Dans ce Schumann du 11 avril 1960, la baguette soutient une attention carnassière. Allegro affetuoso ? Affecté au sens où l'on feint pour mieux séduire !
Et le somptueux orchestre de Chicago, robe fauve et patte de velours, s'y entend en séduction. Pour résister à ses charmes pernicieux, il faudrait la résistance madrée d'une Haskil, l'altitude aquiline d'un Arrau ou d'un Serkin, ou le combat à corps avec les doigts d'un Richter ou d'une Argerich.
Agiles mais fragiles d'intention, les marteaux s'échappent ici en rêves de cristal que même l'élan juvénile du Vivace ne parvient pas à assurer vers l'audace d'une conviction.
Dans ce gracieux opus, l'inassurance, la velléité interprétative peuvent passer pour de la sensibilité.

Mais certes pas dans l'Empereur ! Et pourtant, la direction de Reiner s'y assouplit d'une allure féline, rôdeuse...

De quoi se permettre d'enrouler quelques rubans à la crinière de l'Allegro pour mieux s'apparier au toucher élégant de Van Cliburn.
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Enregistrement historique et de qualité.Réédition d'un vinyle qui n'a plus les qualités hifi .Cette collection parue sous le label RCA est excellente
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Par C. Wynn - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
It's getting difficult reviewing the Living Stereo SACD series, because I ran out of superlatives long ago.

You simply can't go wrong with any of them. They are all masterpiece recordings, cherry-picked and beautifully, lovingly restored. The sonics are simply the best that current technology can achieve.

Every time I listen to one of the Living Stereo SACD's, I feel like I have stepped into a time machine and been transported to a legendary concert 40 or 50 years ago.

Listening to this disc of Van Cliburn and Fritz Reiner performing Schumann's Piano Concerto and Beethoven's Emperor Concerto, I feel like the time machine has dropped me off at the concert venue (50 years ago) so remarkable is the sense of freshness and vitality in the recording.

The artistic interpretations are timeless (and have rarely been equalled), the sonics superb...I just can praise this recording and this SACD series highly enough.
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HASH(0x9b7d7b7c) étoiles sur 5 An object of affection 4 mai 2010
Par Jurgen Lawrenz - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
About 30 years ago, a German music critic reviewed 54 recordings of the Schumann concerto (op. 54 -- get it?) and found none of them "perfect". Well, I could have saved him the trouble. There are no perfect recordings, period. More to the point, Cliburn's effort rated only a by-the-way mention. So much for prejudices.
I myself heard it first in 1964, in a record shop. I was immediately captivated, but as an impecunious teenager I could not afford to buy a second recording to the one I already owned Piano Concertos -- still fond of it! Twenty years later I bought a Schumann box from Reader's Digest and there it was! Ever since then, it has been a bitter-sweet love affair for me. Cliburn has always struck me as a "dry" player; but while Reiner conducted for him, he often caught fire, and so here. There is a yearning, longing feel to this music making, very much a young man's music; and when things turn "brilliant", he has the flashing fingers to ride off in a wild gallop. What I'm trying to say here is, that this does not seem premeditated to me; it seems rather as if the two men are engaged in profoundly romantic (and nostalgic) story telling and pass the word from one to another apparently without deliberate cueing. And so the flow of the music undulates; one thinks of vast corn fields and nights in the forest with the moonlight flashing through the branches -- and of a heart pounding with love that seeks its solace in nature. All this is ineffably caught in this interpretation; and because it is ineffable, it can't easily be put into words. It is a quality that I miss in too many other recordings; and much as I admire (e.g.) Pollini Schumann: Piano Concerto or Perahia Schumann: Piano Concerto Op. 54; Grieg: Piano Concerto Op. 16, they don't fill the bill for me in this indispensable aspect of Schumann's music.
The Beethoven concerto is very well done. Fairness demands that Reiner be given the credit he deserves. This is a mature interpretation precisely because of his input. But the competition is fierce. There is not as much room for thought spinning in Beethoven; you have to drive this in quasi-military fashion; and Cliburn is scarcely the heroic type who seems to make the biggest waves in this work. Still, if you have no other version than this, you are well served.
The sound is remarkably good for its age.
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HASH(0x9b8f8078) étoiles sur 5 Much better than some reviewers have suggested and as good as others have stated 11 avril 2014
Par I. Giles - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
I hesitated for a long time before ordering this disc entirely as a result of previous reviews that suggested that the sound quality of the Beethoven was considerably inferior to that of the Schumann although recorded at much the same time, place and with the same musicians - 1960-1, Chicago, Reiner.

As I already had the living Stereo version of the Schumann, more usefully coupled with Prokofiev 3 and plenty of excellent Beethoven alternatives, I was very doubtful about this particular issue. However, a friend of mine who is a hi-fi enthusiast whose judgement I could trust, assured me that, to his ears, there was nothing wrong with the Beethoven and that he also liked that performance greatly.

As a result I bought the SACD version of these recordings and am very pleased that I did. Like my friend, I too have nothing to complain about as regards the Beethoven sound as a recording and also enjoyed the performance. The Schumann is excellent and is a clear improvement over the Living Stereo version with all the expected gains in clarity, depth and realism.

Not wishing to challenge other reviewers' judgements over the Beethoven portion of this disc, I nevertheless feel that, in fairness, this may be an issue that has been somewhat exaggerated. My replay equipment is wide ranging, very revealing and normally merciless with poor recordings and in this case reproduced the sound very well.

Despite adverse reports as regards the sonics of the Beethoven I would suggest that this is still a very fine disc as regards interpretations of both works and that the recording of the Beethoven may play better on some equipment than others. The Schumann is an outstanding achievement on all counts. My advice would be to give at a try and trust to your own equipment and ears. You may be well rewarded!
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HASH(0x9b8f0d50) étoiles sur 5 The blockbuster here is the Schumann piano concerto recording. 12 décembre 2011
Par Judy Spotheim - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
Referring mainly to the audio qualities of this gem of RCA Living-Stereo SACD, we have here - controversial as it might look - a mixrd bag of sonic qualities, with the Beethoven Emperor being the lesser one.

It is hard to believe when hearing the Beethoven concerto that the transfer to SACD team was using the original triple track tape recording from 1960: The sound is slightly mellow, distance, a bit lacking in ultimate resolution and is limited at the bass range and dynamics all throughout (contrary to other Reiner's transfers to SACD).
It sounds like the transfer team, for whatever reason were forced to use a second generation tape-copy here.
It simply doesn't sound better than any DDD recording of this work and some of the Decca DDD recordings of this work sounds even better, (with piano sound that is much to be preferred) to wit; Decca /de Larrocha/Chailly, Decca Ashkenazy/VPO/Mehta, and RCA's Emanuel Ax/ Royal Philharmonic Orchestra/Previn.

The Schumann portion of this SACD is almost heaven...!
It is taken from upfront closer to the microphones. The frequency range, the details, the dynamics, the width of the sound-stage, the orchestral nuances and the piano tone is good too, yet, it eluded RCA's engineer Lewis Layton who almost never could captured that degree of piano tone purity and fidelity that the Decca recording engineers had in their bag right from the beginning of the Decca piano recordings.

However, it is for the Schumann portion on this RCA Living-Stereo SACD that one should rush out and grab; a masterpiece of playing, conducting and insights. A Marvel.

One should be aware of the fact that SACD technology has a much higher sampling rate than the normal CD and that the dynamic range on SACD is about 120dB. The SACD utilizes a Direct Stream Digital (DSD) - these factors makes the SACD potentially the best of today's medium for storing and for playback.
Note that CD editions that offer a 24-bit/96Khz transfers are still in the realm of just a PCM and are subjected to the normal digital filter-clock.

As for the notion that a SACD "need" added speakers in the living room or in the listening room (wife acceptance factor gets into troubles here), and routing the signal through multiple channel amplification in order to enjoy play-back of SACD - this notion is grossly misleading.
One can comfortably and fully enjoy the super technology with the existing two front channel stereo playback system provided that your CD player can read a SACD. The benefits of the SACD does not - repeat, does not - lie in how many speakers and channels are present, but by the DSD technology which offers a higher sampling and higher dynamic range.
Many of the cherished SACDs do not have any signal information for the rear channels (the RCA SACDs) and more modern recordings have little to offer for the rear channels; at best, that rear-channel information offered is some sort of summation of what it is on the front channel - a summation and separation with some added reverberation that most of the time is quite unnatural.
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HASH(0x9b8f83e4) étoiles sur 5 A Fine Reissue and a tour d' force 28 mars 2014
Par P. H. - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
This disc is another excellent remastering of RCA's outstanding classical recordings from the 1950's and 1960's. The sound is excellent with accurate harmonics, clear voicing of the soloist and orchestra, fine balances, and Reiner's extraordinarily fine accompaniment. The Chicago Symphony plays up to their world-class stature from this period. The icing on the cake is that sonically the disc is a gem. But a Caveat. . . Van Cliburn's interpretations - except for the second movement of the Beethoven Emperor Concerto, and moments here and there - are somewhat lacking in nuance. The pieces are played accurately and powerfully - all the notes are there, but, and this for me is a big but, the tempos are mostly held so strictly that the solo voice is often not given very much room to breathe. The result is a Schumann and Beethoven Emperor that are classical to the point of nearly eliminating the songfull and poetic romantic aspects of this music. If that is the way you prefer these compositions be performed, then this disc is the one you should by all means own. If, however you would on occasion like to hear greater balance between the classical and romantic aspects of these pieces, you may wish to acquire copies of the following performances as well:

* Beethoven Piano Concerto No.5, "Emperor," Horowitz, Reiner, RCA Victor Symphony, BMG RCA Gold Seal 7992-2-RG
(Includes the 1943 live performance of the Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No.1 with Toscanini and the NBC Symphony.).
[A towering "Emperor" both powerful and poetic.] Other fine "Emperor" performances include Fleisher, Szell, Cleveland
Symphony and Zimerman, Bernstein, Vienna Philharmonic.

* Schumann Piano Concerto in A Minor, Janis, Skrowaczewski, Minneapolis Symphony, Mercury Living Presence 432 011-2
(Includes the Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No.1 with Menges and the London Symphony.).[A joyous and songful Schumann.]

Please make no mistake, I would not be without these interpretations. Neither, however, would I be willing to give up the other performances named above. Isn't it wonderful that we live in an age where we can have them all to enjoy.
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