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  • Interprète: George Szell
  • Compositeur: Ludwig Van Beethoven & George Szell, Donald Bell
  • CD (10 avril 1991)
  • Nombre de disques: 1
  • Format : CD, Import
  • Label: Sony Classical
  • ASIN : B000026FKO
  • Autres éditions : CD  |  Cassette
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Un disque magnifique. La direction de Szell y est remarquable dans ce qu'elle expose ce chef d'œuvre à la lumière, avec un orchestre de Cleveland aux sonorités fabuleuses, sans le "surexposer". L'ensemble est équilibré, clair, vif et dynamique, en un mot Vivant. La prise de son (1967) est excellente, un soupçon brillante, mais avec un très belle lisibilité des différents pupitres, aucune saturation.
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Cette 9e enregistrée au Severance Hall, comme les autres de cette série, les 21 et 22 avril 1961, se trouve aussi dans l'intégrale George Szell dirige Beethoven : Symphonies n° 1 à n° 9 - Ouvertures.

Elle bénéficie des qualités habituelles du chef : sobriété, classicisme, perfection de la forme et même perfectionnisme, mais fait ressentir aussi une réserve émotionnelle, voire de la froideur. Les contrastes d'intensité sont assez souvent atténués, la ligne mélodique n'est pas privilégiée aux accompagnements et voix secondaires, les soli des vents et tous les niveaux de l'orchestre apparaissent avec une grande transparence. En évitant tout pathos, en dirigeant les symphonies impaires de la même manière que les symphonies paires, Szell permet du moins au texte d'apparaître dans toute sa clarté et donne une fine élégance au discours musical. Le Cleveland Orchestra était, largement grâce à l'exigence de George Szell, un des meilleurs orchestres du monde, ce qui donne à l'interprétation tout son fini et toute sa précision.

Le premier mouvement, articulé avec rigueur, se permet quelques originalités ou fantaisies (à la fin de la coda, des notes un peu boulées). Le Molto vivace a pour grand mérite les qualités rythmiques du chef, insurpassables, et ne manque pas d'énergie, de puissance et de contrastes.
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Beethoven dans toute sa splendeur... et son authenticité.
Les Beethoven que Georges SZELL avait enregistré de 1957 à 1963 à Cleveland représente un des très rares et un des plus bel accomplissements des symphonies de toute l'histoire du disque jusqu'à nos jours et n'est pas près d'être égalé. La perfection à tous les niveaux : direction, instrumentistes, prise de son stéréo, clarté et transparence, vigueur et subtilité des nuances... bref s'il ne fallait garder que deux intégrales discographiques, ce serait celle-ci avec celle de René LEIBOWITZ. ( Avis d'un musicien professionnel )
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Beethoven dans toute sa splendeur... et son authenticité.
Les Beethoven que Georges SZELL avait enregistré de 1957 à 1963 à Cleveland représente un des très rares et un des plus bel accomplissements des symphonies de toute l'histoire du disque jusqu'à nos jours et n'est pas près d'être égalé. La perfection à tous les niveaux : direction, instrumentistes, prise de son stéréo, clarté et transparence, vigueur et subtilité des nuances... bref s'il ne fallait garder que deux intégrales discographiques, ce serait celle-ci avec celle de René LEIBOWITZ. ( Avis d'un musicien professionnel )
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HASH(0x9892c378) étoiles sur 5 A "Ninth" that's almost a perfect "10"... 6 décembre 2002
Par Christian Ellithorpe - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
After years of buying & sampling many discs looking for a "perfect Ninth", I've realized there may not actually be one. However, I may have come as close on this earth with this gem. Interestingly, NPR even re-released this recording as one of their "highlights of the Millenium" series, with great commentaries & liner notes.

Don't let the bargain price, which is great, fool you, because this World-Class contender outshines many costlier CDs. Of course, there's always the problem of subjectivity when trying to find an ideal recording. So, I'll try my best to add some objectivity first. Comparing a few very diverse, highly regarded versions as a good place to start...

Sir Georg Solti's 9th from 1972 with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra is just about perfect; and it ranks heads above his later London Digital version from the 80s. Solti was a true Master, and he does a magnificent job with the CSO. This '72 London version is fabulously remastered, the CSO sounds magnificent, and the 2nd movement is powerful, taut and tense. The stunning 4th movement may just be one of the finest ever recorded; it holds & demands your attention, and Margaret Hillis & the chorus are amazing. Still, the 1972 version does stumble at times. Sometimes the pacing sounds more like a Mahler 9th, or Wagner's "Tristan & Isolde". Solti seems to do what so many conductors do - draaaagggggg out tempos for a dramatic/Romantic effect. For some reason, many conductors seem to do this, especially as they do later recordings. Unfortunately, Solti's pacing here during the 1st movement does make it hard to sustain the tension Beethoven wrote. (It's performed gorgeously, but really??...an 18 minute 1st movement?) The Adagio 3rd movement also suffers badly, in my opinion. It's very sloowwww pacing compromises what could've been a nearly perfect performance.

Karl Bohm's masterful readings, especially the 1960s version with the Vienna Symphony, is like a polished diamond, purely "Classical" in approach. But when it comes to the 1st and 4th movement, it ALSO becomes painfully slow, without the tension & drama you'd expect when the soloists begin. The 4th movement was really disappointing.

Karajan's acclaimed 9th (from about the same time as this one by Szell) is marvelous. He clearly he understood the piece and Beethoven well. It's paced nicely and all the movements have something special to offer. But the recording, to my ears, seems to suffer from some recording weaknesses. For example, the timpani seem poorly "miked" and seem almost tinny, higher-pitched and artificially sounding when struck, not deep with reverb. I want to head for an equalizer to boost something, and that is distracting.

Bernstein's 1980s Vienna Philharmonic reading is another highly sought version; well-recorded, powerful & passionate, with fairly good vocalists. And Bernstein truly understands Beethoven, and especially the 9th in a profound way. (In the 70s, he recorded lectures at Harvard, which are still in print. His insights about classical music, and Beethoven in particular, are fascinating...) But at times during that Vienna recording, I want to just slap that CD player to speed things up.

Want original-instruments? Roger Norrington takes a well-reasoned, intelligent approach, with quick tempos & gorgeous playing. However, not all listeners will be able to catch their breath during his leading of the fourth movement. (There isn't even a millisecond pause when the hymn/fugue begins after the timpani on that version)

In contrast, this gem of a CD by Szell & Cleveland would be as perfect a 9th that a first-time buyer could get. To put it more simply, "if it was your ONLY 9th", you could be very satisfied for years. This is one of the few recordings that seems to be balanced enough to hear woodwinds & string bass in the first movement, and with realistic timpani that do NOT dominate, nor do they drop too far into the background. The scherzo is quick, as many feel Beethoven indicated on the original score, and it is tense & exciting, just like the 1st movement. The 3rd movement is incredibly poignant & moving, and it never drags. Although I wonder if any performance of the 4th movement reaches the pinnacle that Solti and Margaret Hillis achieved, Szell & Cleveland delivers (Thanks also to Robert Shaw leading the chorus here). While Solti & the CSO from 1972 do a superb job, when considering how well all three movements are performed and recorded, I'd recommend Szell's first. I still think it is a truly World-Class masterpiece.

The only way this CD could get any better, is if somehow today's digital technology was available then, since the signal-to-noise ratio can never get as great as some of today's offerings. Still, this remains an outstanding performance, and Sony's respectable job of Remastering does seem well-done. "A Ninth that's not a perfect 10", but a Ninth that's certainly a "9.5"!
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HASH(0x9892c3cc) étoiles sur 5 Brilliant Performance 3 février 2006
Par Music Lover - Publié sur Amazon.com
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Something that bothers me is the way people on this site criticize the recordings of the great conductors of the 20th century as if they were done by amateur musicians. Bohm, Karajan, Szell, Solti, Bernstein, Furtwangler, Ormandy, Klieber, Jochum, Toscanini, Klemperer, Walter; these were the great men of the greatest age of recorded music. These were the giants and legends struggling to find meaning in Beethoven when Beethoven still mattered to everyone. Now very few people care about classical music (at least in the United States), and interest in it is seen as elitist. Maybe part of the reason is that a lot of the people who listen are pompous and try to tell everyone not what's good and what's not, but rather who is good and who's not (i.e. "Bernstein is the most overrated conductor of the 20th century" or "Toscanini's conducting isn't emotionally searching").

Okay, that's my diatribe against the jerks on this site who try to dissuade you from making up your own mind. Now to this recording. I'm 24 now, and Beethoven has been my favorite composer since my father gave me a copy of Muti's cycle 11 years ago. My father grew up with the cycle by Szell and I used to listen to his childhood cycle on his record player. Even at a young age I knew there was something very special about Szell. If you like the 9th taken at swift tempos, than you will love this recording. If you like it played more slowly, this is not the recording for you. I like it both ways once I adjust my mind and try to go along with the conductor's vision. Szell's conducting is austere yet magisterial. This is Beethoven the king as compared to Furtwangler's romantic hero Beethoven. One thing I appreciate about Szell is the precision he demands of his orchestra. Everyone is playing together at the maestro's tempo and on the maestro's page. The recording is good for its age. All the instruments are clear (I especially love the percussion in the second movement). Overall, this is a wonderful recording of the greatest of all symphonies by the greatest of all symphonists. The price is also very attractive. Bravo maestro Szell, bravo Cleveland Orchestra, and bravo Sony.
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HASH(0x9892c804) étoiles sur 5 forceful, lyrical performances 26 mai 2003
Par drollere - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD Achat vérifié
the beethoven cycle recorded by george szell and the cleveland orchestra in the early 1960's is a miraculous and distinctive account of the symphonies and major orchestral overtures. it manages at the same time to be true to the spirit of beethoven yet immediately fresh and new when compared with almost any other performance available on disc.
szell raised the ensemble and technical control of the cleveland orchestra to an astonishing level, which allowed him many hair raising plunges through the music, for example in the last movements of the 5th and 7th symphonies. the orchestra could render the full dynamic range, and the strings -- for example in the first chords of the egmont overture -- were capable of the powerful, rich sonority we expect from a brass choir.
the real beauty in szell's interpretations is the orchestra's almost balletic sensitivity to rhythm and musical accent. these musicians don't just play the music as a dance, they express dancing as they play. it's a treat to be surprised by this irresistible, springing dance energy in movements that are so often played as academic forms -- the disc of the 1st and 6th symphonies provides many happy moments, as does the scherzo of the 9th. one regrets that there's no szell recording of beethoven's "creatures of prometheus" available.
i love these recordings. at a time when our culture relies on noise, speed, excess, vulgarity and lack of control to get our attention, it's a treat to hear beethoven that is sonorous, sprightly, forceful, lyrical and eloquent. and at a bargain price!
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HASH(0x9892c7ec) étoiles sur 5 Breathtaking 29 janvier 2005
Par Ryan Richards - Publié sur Amazon.com
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I don't think I can add anything to this discussion that the other reviewers haven't already captured. All I know is, I've heard at least three high-profile recordings of the Ninth (von Karajan's 1963 recording, Dohnányi's with the Cleveland Orchestra and Lenny's Berlin Wall performance), and each of them gave me different reasons to nod when they were over and say, "Yeah, that was really good." When I finished with this recording, on the other hand, I slumped back in my chair, wide-eyed, and breathed "Holy s---." After all the conductors who figured bigger orchestra and bigger musical gestures meant better Beethoven, the effect created by this performance's straight-ahead, driving momentum is electrifying. Szell's exact rhythms and complete control over his orchestra drive you propulsively through the first two movements, slow down for some tender repose in the third, and just blast the final movement out of your speakers to the far wall. There are so many special touches on this recording, particularly the precise balance between all the instrumental groups (listen to the punctuation from the brass!) as well as between the orchestra and the choir. Yeah, I've heard better individual soloists on other recordings; yeah, the choir's enunciation suffers a little at points (particularly in the fiery race to the end of the symphony), and yeah, the recording quality, while good, still isn't up to the sonic capability of today. But the power! The intensity! There may be no such thing as a "perfect Ninth," and maybe there never can be, but that doesn't change the fact that I don't feel the need to buy another Ninth for a long, long time, if ever. When I consider the fact that this marvelous performance is offered at a budget price, all I can say is what Schiller (and Beethoven) already told us: "Brüder, über'm Sternenzelt/Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen."
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HASH(0x9892cbb8) étoiles sur 5 Brilliant Beethoven 13 janvier 2003
Par Michael Brad Richman - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
In the 1950s and 60s, CBS/Columbia (now Sony Classical) had the great fortune to have three of America's best orchestras and their conductors on their recording roster -- Leonard Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic, Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra, and George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra. Nearly a half-century later, only Leonard Bernstein remains a name that even the non-classical music world knows. But in the world of the compact disc, this is a wonderful thing, because while Leonard Bernstein analog stereo recordings sell at mid-price, classic performances by Ormandy and Szell are regulated to the budget line. Well, my friends there is justice in the world because the vast majority of these "budget line" recordings are not only amazing, but some are still considered definitive more than 40 years later! One such definitive performance is this Szell recording of Beethoven's 9th Symphony, and in fact the whole cycle is still something at which to marvel. Never did something of such high quality come at such a small price. Enjoy!
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