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  • Compositeur: Ludwig van Beethoven
  • CD (29 mars 1999)
  • Nombre de disques: 2
  • Format : CD, Import
  • Label: Red Seal Inter
  • ASIN : B00000F1BP
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HASH(0x9b9fe048) étoiles sur 5 Beethoven's & Toscanini's Genius in Greatly Improved Sound 14 juillet 2001
Par Hank Drake - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
I was skeptical when these new CDs were issued. My thoughts were that the early 1990s Complete Toscanini reissue was probably the best that could be humanly done to restore the very pinched and nasal sounding originals. Since I had already bought half of that set, I wasn't about to spend more of my hard-earned money on a marginally improved RE-reissue.
I was wrong. In 1997, RCA totally reorganized and inventoried its massive vaults, which had been in disarray for decades. As a result, many original sources which had been declared "lost" were now "found." This new remastering is strikingly improved sonically over all earlier issues. Utilizing the best technology now available, RCA has also done the right thing by hiring a musician--conductor Ed Houser--rather than whiz-bang technicians to supervise the remastering. The NBC Symphony Orchestra now sounds better than ever before, with greater clarity, smoother strings, fuller winds, and less blotting out during fortissimos.
Perhaps no conductor of the 20th Century has been as misunderstood as Arturo Toscanini, as evidenced by the critical backlash with which he was assailed in the years after his death. That criticism was partly in reaction to the equally unbalanced adulation heaped upon him during his lifetime. I remember once mentioning to an acquaintance my admiration for Toscanini's Beethoven and Brahms, and he shot back, "He conducts everything too fast!" In fact, in comparison with other recordings and broadcasts of his era, Toscanini's conducting was not generally faster than average. In relation to TODAY'S phlegmatic tempos, however, Toscanini's pacing is definitely brisk. But what most people are hearing as fast is, in fact, Toscanini's characteristic rhythmic vitality and, occasionally, drive, which brings the faster movements to sparkling life. Likewise, the slow movements are never dragged, and glow with Italianate warmth.
It is worth noting that, for this issue, RCA has replaced the 1949 studio recording of the "Eroica" with Toscanini's more dynamic 1953 live performance. RCA does not credit the liner notes, but they are reprints of Mortimer H. Frank's excellent notes originally written for the early 1990s CD release.
RCA has so far only released Toscanini's core repertoire with the NBC Symphony--but they are more than welcome additions to the catalogue. The Maestro's recordings with the New York Philharmonic, and The Philadelphia Orchestra should also be remastered, post-haste. Then, RCA, which has given us magnificent reissues of Kapell and Rubinstein, should get to work and replace their botched Vladimir Horowitz reissue from the 1990s, using this magnificent Toscanini reissue as a template.
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HASH(0x9bb3cd50) étoiles sur 5 Commanding and Noble 11 juillet 2005
Par Sator - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
I would say that these recordings of the first four symphonies represent the finest example of why Toscanini was held in such awe in America during his time. You can really understand why the whole of America stopped to listen to him and why he outdid the baseball and football in the radio ratings when he conducted on NBC radio.

I must admit I have always been a Furtw?ngler follower when it comes to Beethoven and it took me a while before I could warm at all to Toscanini's approach. In fact it comes as a surprise to me to find myself writing such a glowing review of these recordings when I was once so vehemently anti-Toscanini. I find that with Toscanini that his understanding of Beethoven's musical language is profoundest in the earlier symphonies whereas Furtw?ngler is profoundest in the later symphonies (from the fifth onwards). Above all Toscanini's approach to the symphony he conducted the most, the Eroica, is masterly. In fact I think this particular live NBC performance is the finest Eroica I have yet to hear - vastly superior to the sadly overdriven studio NBC recording that is so unflattering to this conductor's memory. The proximity to Beethoven's marked metronome markings is, I feel in this case, to be a great strength in the Eroica. Toscanini's brazen fast tempi are brought off with total conviction matched with a powerful grasp of the work's structure - an understanding that seems to slip after from about the fifth symphony onwards.

Other beautiful performances here include the first symphony. I must confess that I really do like Toscanini's approach. It seems to be chiselled out of marble and yet has a lovely, sunny Italianate lyricism. The second is almost as good but come the fourth things seem to be gradually slipping away from Toscanini as Beethoven moves on from the models left for him by Haydn and Mozart - with it Beethoven seems to leave Toscanini behind too. The approach is still - if only barely - valid for the fourth, but it sits just so slightly uncomfortably. From there onwards Toscanini's command of Beethovian rhetoric fades into what can seem like bombast with the later symphonies - although he still has his moments of brilliance. In fact Toscanini himself said of the 9th symphony that "I do not understand this music".

These are wonderful and essential recordings. They are also documents of a wonderful time in American history when people young and old still held great maestros like Toscanini in awe - in a fashion that not even rock stars can hope to emulate today. The fullness of the recorded sound will come as a surprise to many. In fact there are sadly plenty of so called 'digital stereo recordings' that sound FAR worse than this.
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HASH(0x9ba03228) étoiles sur 5 Toscanini - Beethoven: The magic reveiled..... 19 avril 2003
Par Ytzan - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
I was very reluctant to buy this set. First because of the mono sound and then because of Toscanini's fast tempos that in my mind would harm the music. Well, I was wrong. The sound is not bad at all for its' age and the fast tempos bring a new vitality to the music. A winner!!!!
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HASH(0x9bb35c30) étoiles sur 5 Lyric and Technically Outstanding 17 juin 2002
Par Alexander Baron - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
These discs are among the definitive editions of Beethoven's symphonies. Technically, there is no stressing of harmony over melody. The listener can hear every note that is played by any instrument. As Toscanini is not a romantic, there are few gradual tempo changes (Crescendo, diminuendo, etc.). Instead,Toscanini essentially uses block dynamics most of the time. The symphonies are played in classical style, with somewhat taut phrasing and sound.
However, this is not to say that these recordings are devoid of lyricism and emotion. Szell's Beethoven is technically perfect, in classical style, unlyric, and unemotional. Toscanini's Beethoven is (nearly) technically perfect, in classical style, lyric, and emotional. In these recordings, themes are masterfully connected one to the next, and the music flows.
The First, Second, and Fourth symphonies represent Beethoven in his happy moods. Toscanini makes them sound joyful without being overly happy or cute. The Third symphony has drama, and its Funeral March is magnificent by any standards. The Egmont Overture is less weighty than it is on some other recordings. The remastering was good, but not perfect. If you own only one edition of symphonies 1-4, this should be it.
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HASH(0x9bb35d14) étoiles sur 5 Clean performances provide for dramatic effect 30 juillet 2001
Par Hermes Camacho - Publié sur Amazon.com
Format: CD
Though his late NBC Symphony performances are not always as clean as his recordings with NYP, Philadelphia, or even his early NBC, his realization of Beethoven's symphonies are far superior than ANY Furtwangler or Karajan or any other number of German "Romantics." Toscanini's training as an opera conductor has led him to deem the melody as important, if not more important, than the harmonic structure. Who would have thought! Harmony is nothing without melody. Toscanini was always hunting for the melody, bringing it out and, most importantly, following the COMPOSER'S score in lieu of a CONDUCTOR'S score (for conductor's score readings, with the exception of Walter, Weingartner, Kleiber, and a few others, look to those of Furtwangler, Klemperer or Karajan). Toscanini was a true musician who sought for a clean performance that followed the desires of the composer and not that of "interpreters." His tempos were always (or close to) correct and any minor changes in the score by him were to help, not improve, the composers' intentions.
Yes, I do think Furtwangler, Karajan, and Klemperer were among the greatest German conductors, but Toscanini was the greatest. This attests to the many young conductors today who try to emmulate Toscanini's ideas of following the score and not their own indulgences.
Of the recordings on this set, my favorite are the Third and the Egmont. The third has such longing in the lyrical themes of the first movement and such majesty in the main theme. The second movement is tragic and monumental. You can't find these in Furtwangler or Karajan. Though the sound may be mono, the quality of the sound is great. Performance is clean, crisp, brilliant, unique and heartfelt.
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