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The long-awaited sequel to 12 RULES FOR LIFE, which has sold over 5 million copies around the world

In 12 Rules for Life, acclaimed public thinker and clinical psychologist Jordan B. Peterson offered an antidote to the chaos in our lives: eternal truths applied to modern anxieties. His insights have helped millions of readers and resonated powerfully around the world.

Now in this much-anticipated sequel, Peterson goes further, showing that part of life's meaning comes from reaching out into the domain beyond what we know, and adapting to an ever-transforming world. While an excess of chaos threatens us with uncertainty, an excess of order leads to a lack of curiosity and creative vitality. Beyond Order therefore calls on us to balance the two fundamental principles of reality - order and chaos - and reveals the profound meaning that can be found on the path that divides them.

In times of instability and suffering, Peterson reminds us that there are sources of strength on which we can all draw: insights borrowed from psychology, philosophy, and humanity's greatest myths and stories. Drawing on the hard-won truths of ancient wisdom, as well as deeply personal lessons from his own life and clinical practice, Peterson offers twelve new principles to guide readers towards a more courageous, truthful and meaningful life.

© Jordan B. Peterson 2021 (P) Penguin Audio 2021

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Commenté en France le 21 mars 2021

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Plutôt de revu pour ceux qui suivent déjà les cours de l'auteur sur youtube mais avec toujours plus de détails.

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Dr Peterson

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if you bought it you know it's worth

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Suzanne

C'est exactement ce à quoi je m'attendais

Commenté en France le 15 mai 2021

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Je suis satisfait

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Damian Nicolas Ricaud Oneto

Excellent

Commenté en France le 11 avril 2023

Le livre de Jordan Peterson offre des règles précieuses pour mener une vie riche en sens. J'aurais aimé être exposé à ces conseils plus tôt dans ma vie. Une lecture essentielle pour tous ceux qui cherchent à s'épanouir et à avancer dans leur cheminement personnel.

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Potent but Brilliant.

Commenté en Australie le 26 juillet 2023

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It is a potent read and Dr. Peterson articulates complicated things making it easy to digest.
I bought the first 12 rules a while ago and when I hit lobsters I thought it was going to be science centred (sorry) maybe given his profession, I can't remember exactly. Anyway, I opened it later, thankfully, and was fully engaged- it's an incredible work of art (both books) and super practical....for me and my relationships...understanding people better...
I felt parts of both books are super moving. I think the second was ahh ...a bit tear-jerking for me (surprisingly) at the end...but so real- so raw- love it...thank you.

Thank you so much for both 12 rules- thoroughly enjoyed and find helpful. You are awesome.

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Angelica Mateo

Fast next day delivery, excellent book

Commenté à Singapour le 13 août 2023

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I will buy all the books I can’t find in physical bookstores here from Amazon SG.

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Antonio Salazar Valero

Insightful and a must necessary read

Commenté aux États-Unis le 12 septembre 2023

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Thanks Jordan for sharing your knowledge, insight and experience! In 2023, the world seems to be at its boiling point when the truth is the only thing that can save us. Thanks for being the bearer of this truthful thinking despite all the challenges and specially people who wants to keep us entangled with their lies and are up to no good against humankind.

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Maria Luiza Falcao Rodrigues de Oliveira

Um chamado para responsabilidade - mais claro do que nunca

Commenté au Brésil le 15 mars 2021

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Como muitas pessoas, conheci Jordan Peterson em meados de 2018, quando comecei a receber recomendações de seus vídeos. Depois que assisti sua forma precisa e clara de se comunicar sobre temas dificílimos, percebi que precisava conhecer mais à respeito desse homem. Li 12 regras para a vida e assisti dezenas de suas aulas no youtube, disponibilizadas gratuitamente como um presente para todos nós.

Em Beyond Order, Jordan Peterson conseguiu superar (e muito) a expectativa que pairava sobre o livro. Muitos consideravam que o livro poderia ser apenas uma repetição manifestada com outras palavras do seu livro mais famoso, mas vejo na verdade em Beyond Order um amadurecimento de ideias já citadas, com a adição de muitas referências e temas não abordados com tanta profundidade em 12 regras para a vida.

Das muitas possíveis citações e referências a esse livro, deixo algumas abaixo que se destacaram como minhas preferidas e me fizeram pensar:

#Sobre a necessidade de competência e a diferença entre a autoridade gerada por competência e o poder gerado por corrupção.

p.18: "Fool is a young, handsome man, eyes lifted upward, journeying in the mountains, sun shining brightly upon him— about to carelessly step over a cliff (or is he?). His strength, however, is precisely his willingness to risk such a drop; to risk being once again at the bottom. No one unwilling to be a foolish beginner can learn."

p.19: "But today’s beginner is tomorrow’s master. Thus, it is necessary even for the most accomplished (but who wishes to accomplish still more) to retain identification with the as yet unsuccessful; to appreciate the striving toward competence; to carefully and with true humility subordinate him or herself to the current game"

p.25: "If the problem is real, then the people who are best at solving the problem at hand should rise to the top. That is not power. It is the authority that properly accompanies ability."

p.33: "You may even have to crawl before you can walk. This is part of accepting your position as a beginner, at the bottom of the hierarchy you so casually, arrogantly, and self- servingly despise."

# Sobre a necessidade de encarar a verdade, apesar de sua aparência

p.75: "pay attention, above all, even to what is monstrous and malevolent, and speak wisely and truthfully"

p.97: "Failing to look under the bed when you strongly suspect a monster is lurking there is not an advisable strategy."

# Sobre como se destacar em qualquer ambiente competitivo.

p.112: "If you want to become invaluable in a workplace— in any community— just do the useful things no one else is doing."

p.121: "We become stronger by voluntarily facing what impedes our necessary progress."

# Sobre a importância da beleza

p. 225: "It is worth repeating: Artists teach people to see. It is very hard to perceive the world, and we are so fortunate to have geniuses to teach us how to do it, to reconnect us with what we have lost, and to enlighten us to the world."

# Sobre cuidar de si mesmo

p. 318: "balance your life appropriately. Maybe the first step in this direction is to posit, despite your mistreatment, that you are in fact worthy of care; and the second step is to give it, where you can, despite receiving tragically little yourself."

As lições que JP traz, de forma bela e elegante, usando elementos das suas próprias regras na maneira como vive e escreve, são simples de serem descritas, mas dificilmente aplicadas na vida real. Tomar responsabilidade; buscar autoridade pela competência; manter o que é bom e avançar pouco a pouco, mas sempre; não se esconder atrás se simplificações e mentiras; lidar com a verdade e evitar a mentira direta e também a omissão. Todas essas regras são mais impactantes por entendermos o contexto mais amplo, da história da humanidade desde suas primeiras histórias, e de como avançamos como sociedade, mas algumas coisas continuam sendo perenes ao longo do tempo.

Esse com certeza é um livro que lerei várias vezes ao longo da vida.

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Commenté aux États-Unis le 3 mars 2021

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Jordan Peterson is a Canadian psychotherapist who studied at McGill in Montreal and has long taught
and practiced in Toronto. He became famous a few years ago with his 12 Rules of Order. Beyond Order
embraces the chaos of life, and is portrayed as a balance to its predecessor in a way akin to the principles
of Yin and Yang. Peterson became wildly popular (and despised) because of his reiterating points of
tough love that nobody seems to say anymore, especially in self-help books. As one journal's review
said, he was smart enough to write a self-help book that would be read by men. This isn't just white
men either, as the crisis of masculine identity is multiracial. I don't necessarily "get" Peterson the way
some of my high school friends did. But a few years ago, I had to go to one more rehab, this time
a brief and hardcore one, with heroin and meth addicts used to being in jail. I was the only one who drove
there. But before I left, I had to make a car payment, and I said to myself "make the bed for Jordan Peterson".
In an era that has overemphasized rights (as Mary Ann Glendon pointed out), he reminds us of
responsibilities, and their importance for being a socially desirable person, among other things.

In recent years, both he and his wife have been seriously ill, and he praised her for responding
with strength that he may not have had. His daughter has also been seriously sick at times.
He emphasizes that the world is a tough place, with bears, dragons, the cold north trying to
kill its people, and queens like Maleficent and authoritarian kings. Maleficent turns into a dragon
and that's normal in the story, but what if Queen Elizabeth did? He shows the importance of
stories, such as Beowulf, Lord of the Rings, and Harry Potter. Basically, he is exposing his more
academic work Maps of Meaning, which is heavily influenced by Jungian types and the religious
myths studied by Mircea Eliade. For me as a Catholic thinker, it reminds me of Louis Bouyer's
Invisible Father and the development of myth, ritual and rational theology. Peterson's theological
and metaphysical framework appears to be flexible, but he knows the concepts and what they
have meant throughout history. He knows the Jewish and Christian stories and beliefs, but also
Islam and Eastern spirituality. I laughed when he said "nobody says, Dad, read me the periodic
table", they want a story. I actually did have a great affection for the periodic table as a kid.
Peterson is eccentric, as a British (I think) journal's review pointed out-he claims to have viewed
1.2 million paintings, a thousand a day for four years. This was in the chapter "make one room
in your house beautiful", the sequel to clean your room and make your bed.

The first new rule discusses society and institutions. Freud and Jung, although essential, were
too individual. We need relationships that draw us out of ourselves into love for the other,
which in turn develops the self. We need both change and tradition. Avoid ideology. There's solid
advice on romance and marriage. You don't find the right one, you make it. There are billions of
people and millions could have been suitable for you, so yeah you probably missed someone
better. There's good wisdom on intimacy as it relates to affairs. Think about children when you
are fertile, don't begin in your 40s when it's too late. There's also a nice discussion of friendship.
High school and college friendships can endure even if you were randomly thrown together
as roommates. But by your 40s, your personality has crystallized. Some high school friends
I've maintained friendships with and developed; others were great friendships back then but
we've become different people. We still can exchange affectionate greetings, but it's not going
to be a consistent relationship because we've become different people.

Three of the chapters are devoted to solid principles of recovery spirituality. These are writing
and taking inventory of past traumas, overcoming resentment, and living in gratitude. This
book is an affirmation of existence over nihilism. Nietzsche is treated with respect, a figure
of tragedy more than arrogance. But ultimately, as Fulton Sheen put it, life is worth living.
This is not by denying the chaos, tragedy and pain of life, but acknowledging it and responding
in love, humility, honesty and gratitude.

Peterson argues against all ideologies. Environmental ideology, for instance, argues that the
world would be better without people. He includes conservatism among ideologies, while
acknowledging conservative tendencies. Peterson has been portrayed as an ideologue because
of the polarization of Trump supporters vs. the identity politics of race, sex and gender, which
get us caught in power analysis, and ultimately trapped in resentful attitudes. Life is painful
and difficult, and yet good, no matter where in society the other person is coming from, and
what their family and life experiences are. This book shows the nuances of his thought, which
are quite different from how he is portrayed by the advocates of identity politics and
political correctness.

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